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1997 Art Bell Show: A Time Traveller from 2063

Discussion in 'Time Travelers' started by TheSerbRyder_ReTurns, Nov 2, 2011.

  1. TheSerbRyder_ReTurns

    TheSerbRyder_ReTurns Member

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    no i was part of the experiment, i was the one who devised it, my plan was to send an email to art bell, which turned out to be that fax, since i had no email in 98, so i figured instead of just for me, it will be for everyone, then we will have proof he was capable of time travel, since the only way for him to do the email, was after speaking with me in 2000-01 since i was the one who came up with the whole idea, also helps to prove its not a hoax, cause then people would have to beLIEve i was in on the whole thing when i was only 11-12ish, playing along with the fax story

    heres part 1


    ima storm through it and find the parts of interest, i think john calls in too!

    single seven may be one of the johns cause part 2, makes me wonder



    part 2 makes me think of when i would argue with john, about his morales, of what he is doing, and he does say his real name is john, as if its dropping a hint, and how he says its a very selfish thing i know you think that way, basically describes, the reason i disagreed with them, then says he got to know us, and see us as human beings, now art says i should talk about a fax i just received, but not from you, but another one from your trav t team, which could be a hint, he is one of the johns, and the fax and call is from the other john, then says his true name is johnathon, aliens could be a metaphor, for nwo, people vs aliens, we the people of the world v.s the nwo, and how he gets confused by underground railroad, helps to prove hes legit, satelites = mainstream media, their defense is weak, because of the internet, and we the people expose them through that, upping the amperage! haha notice he doesn't say upping the ante? remember john wasn't selling us anything



    how do you mean time line? see he wants to make sure, he doesnt get it confused, with time line definition john gave to us in the future, im gonna be breif now, cause i dont wanna give too much info to bad people, hive collective=nwo compartmentalization, art says if your from the year 2036, and johnathon says no 2063, thats a hint, and art could be saying that because of the fax he got, and seven is right about y2k, and mock depression, it was a fabricated depression, by the nwo, for a power grap, like the first depression. right about acronyms, lol, wtf, came a lil bit later



    art asks one fax question, is the person alive today, that had a part to play in the development of the time device, johnathon, now in this present frame, no... remember john and i thought i wouldnt get the message, he is right there is other ways to battle. the under water geysers= gulf oil spill, cult groups about pyramids = nwo all seeing eye in the back of the dollar bill, maybe if they had 2 eyes, they would have perception to see their demise, ha...haaaaaaaa
     
  2. Samstwitch

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    From the "tempus edax rerum" video that John I & II made, they mention the faxes to Art Bell, but I thought they had a different motive for sending it, according to what they said in that message. Perhaps you could comment on that, or is it all related? I thought Johns' motives for sending the faxes to Art had something to do with them trying to get back to their own time, and it was a test to see what would happen?

    Serb, I'm certainly glad you're here to share these things with us. It's very fascinating.

    Thanks for adding the Art Bell video...I'm listening now!
     
  3. Samstwitch

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    Serb, I'm listening to the Art Bell video...Now I'm totally lost. This guy isn't John Titor. What does this video have to do with John? Honestly, I don't believe the guy who's being interviewed.

    You said, "ima storm through it and find the parts of interest, i think john calls in too!" You're saying, you think John called in during this interview? I haven't heard anything of that nature. When you find it, please let us know. Thanks
     
  4. Samstwitch

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    Okay, listening to the guy talking to Art, as you pointed out, his name is "Jonathan". Still, I don't think he has anything to do with John Titor.
    He said he's from the year 2063 and he came with a "Trav-T Group", Travel Time Group.

    THE AIR DATE FOR THAT SHOW WAS 1997...Not 1998.

    Jonathan's story conflicts greatly with John Titor, as he came alone to our Timeline due to the archaic nature of his Time Machine, which was in it's early form. John also said the weather is much cooler in 2036, however, Jonathan says the weather in 2063 is "hotter". Art asked Jonathan, "When did human beings discover Time Travel?" Jonathan said, "In the year 2051." Whereas John Titor said Time Travel was discovered in 2034, I believe.

    John Titor and Jonathan's stories are totally different. QUESTION: Is this video that you posted the Art Bell video that made you think John Titor had been to 1998, or was it the faxes that Art received from him about Y2K?

    Here's everything that John said regarding "aliens" (in random order):

    JOHN TITOR: My point is; seemingly very complicated problems often have very simple and ingenious solutions using technology that is already available. The distortion unit is not magic and no alien technology was required to make it work. If you could see it, the “smarts” that went into designing it will amaze you more than the technology. Heck, the really interesting technology is in the computer.

    QUESTION: Are we traveling in space in 2036?

    JOHN TITOR: "Not yet but they are working on it."

    QUESTION: Has first contact with an alien race occurred?

    JOHN TITOR: "Not that I’m aware of."

    JOHN TITOR: "No new information there (on UFOs and aliens). I find that an interesting subject myself. Personally, I think "UFOs" might be time travelers with very sophisticated distortion units. But that might be a bit wacky."

    Here is a Transcription of the "John Titor Letter 177 tempus edax rerum" on YouTube. According to John, they sent the faxes to Art Bell in an attempt to get back to separate worldlines:

    Greetings. I am the man you know as John Titor.
    Correction, I am one of the men you know as John.
    In 1999, I was the second to arrive on the same worldline
    as the other man you know as John.
    It was I who wrote the posts in November and January.
    When I return to 2001, I will write for the final time in March.
    My mother will release this message to you in November of 2009.
    The other John wrote the posts in December and February.
    He, too, will write his final posts in March of 2001.
    As I write this now, the date is March 22, 2009 and the divergence is 1.941.

    This is not the first time I have been in your future.
    I was here before writing the first posts in 2001.
    I tried to warn you. I tried to wake you.
    As time passes, I fear you will witness the transition from your apathy
    and dependence, to your children's fall into bondage. I feel sorry for you.
    You will not know the peace and freedom I will have when I return home.
    In spite of my efforts, the war that gave that gift to me may come to you much later.

    To prove to you who I am, a friend will corroborate the significance of the musical group, the B-52s.
    I am sorry about the strife and difficulty you have had these past years. It was required.
    As I said, after 1975, when I arrived in 1999, there was already another John there.
    The two of us devised a plan to return to separate worldlines.
    The plan required that each of us travel to different time periods between 1998 and
    2009, and take measurements with our displacement machine.

    We had to find a way to communicate these measurements in a way that would last, and
    could be easily found later.
    Our first attempt was with the FAX to Art Bell.
    I traveled to 1998 first, and left the first FAX with Art.
    The other John traveled there later and was able to find my FAX.
    He then left the second FAX.

    As the plan is now progressing, we were able to use the Internet.
    The posts we made, and will make, are a foundation we will need to get home.
    In each month we will post the measurements we had made in various time periods on
    different worldlines.

    Every time someone posts about John Titor after 2001,
    they will become more permanent and easier for me, or another John to find.
    If the other John, or even another John ever arrives in your future
    trying to get home, he will now see the numbers he needs in the posts.
    If he were to hear this message, he will know what to do.
    The final measurements are on the website my mother's attorney has overseen.
    This is the reason we made the posts. With your help, they will last.
    They are a sign post to other Johns who are lost, and need our work to return home.
    For this, I must thank all of you.

    One Seven Seven Rempus Edax Rerum
    Time will devour all things.

    YOUTUBE VIDEO: http://youtu.be/XbwH8r4VD8w
    http://www.johntitorfoundation.com/
     
  5. TheSerbRyder_ReTurns

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    john gets serious, when guy from future calls, future guy says john is not giving an accurate perform(ance) uhh description of whats going on. and the un= nwo, so the motives would be evil forces, at this time, john would have no way of knowing, the expirement worked, explaining why he couldn't believe it
     
  6. TheSerbRyder_ReTurns

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    you'll see when im finished, the fax hasnt come yet, you'll see!!! trust me!!! im deciphering the code, for john, while still being cryptic enough, it can't help those who do not have we the people interest in mind, and i am also leaving out many things
     
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    they are different for a reason, cause its encoded, for someone who has the key to break the code, i made a song called lucKEY number SlEVEN spelled exactly like that, fyi ;)

    and im not gonna decode anymore, cause my gut is telling me too, ill post the fax when i get to it, im re listening it all



    you said your from nebraska? im from south dakato actually, another hint
     
  8. titorite

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    I do not remember this at all... but I do remember Pams first day at ATS....who do you think has two thumbs and sent her some links... This guy.
     
  9. Samstwitch

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    THE AIR DATE FOR THAT SHOW WAS 1997...Not 1998.
     
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    Hi Titorite, you said, "who do you think has two thumbs and sent her some links...This guy." Can you explain what you mean? Who is "this guy"? Are you speaking of yourself, or Serb?
     
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    i am gonna address that after i get to the fax, im doing this in chronological order
     
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    i know, which amazed me, that the fax came through in 97, notice in the back of the picture of art it says, 1998, maybe just i notice these quite specific coincidences



    pay attention at the end, talking about fax, and johnathon signs off by saying, thank you for putting out the word

    now we get to the part when people call in, where you may think twice about questioning, what im putting together here, cause then we get into very specific coincidences, and i mean very!



    the beginning text on the vid is interesting
     
  13. titorite

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    I am speaking for myself. I used to speak about ATS more.... Hold on I'll send you some more via conversation.
     
  14. Samstwitch

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    Serb, Sorry but I see no connection between John Titor and this 'Jonathan' caller on Art Bell. One very BIG thing that should be apparent from any Time Traveler coming from past or future is their SPEECH, LANGUAGE. There was a very noted difference in the way John Titor spoke/wrote, which was very different from anyone I have ever heard speak or write. I plan on posting a comment about this from my research in the near future. But this caller, Jonathan, spoke just as if he were from OUR TIME. There was no difference in his speech.

    Nothing in his story corresponds with John Titor, except to say he claims to be a 'Time Traveler', that's all. I have pointed out several differences in my previous post. I won't use up any more comment space elaborating further.

    Serb, thanks for sharing your theories with us on this thread, but if you want to take this discussion further, I think you should start a NEW thread devoted to your Art Bell videos with "Jonathan", because they seem to be off topic here.
     
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    7:25 this kid strikes me as genuine, but i dont think he is titor, and he says your mes(sage) uh i listened to your broadcast



    continued here, your liberating program, were actually able to hear something about, the link to the titor story, he was a government traveler from 2036, this kid is from 2035, y2k he says ohhhh the secret! then codes the answer, since i havent been to 2035 yet, trust me kid, the truth of the youth, will not let you get killed, and he does call clinton being the last elected president
     
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    8:25 around 99 he talks about the media starting to be exposed, and thats when i started exposing how the media lies, and he does mention, there will be documents revealed in the 21st century right now, that they have classified ABOVE TOP SECRET!!! this one i just noticed!


    part 9, i dunno if hes being true about marilyn monroe, or if this is code, on y2k see how he refers to the kid i referred to? and see how he points out the corporations? whose shaking their head no? his double? a plan, or in this case a new plan, an alternate version of 1986, i was born in 1986 thats in the beginning of part 10


    hes right about clinton, how it doesnt damage the presidency, and IT carrys on, hence the nwo corruption, get rid of credit cards, hes right, get rid of the debt
     
  17. Num7

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    I made this topic about Serb's latest posts and other comments related to this time traveller from 2063. I noticed those comments were driving the original Expert Titor topic out of its course quite a bit and thought it'd deserve a topic of its own as well.

    I never heard of this story before. :)
     
  18. TheSerbRyder_ReTurns

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    the first caller uses a titor example... onion to describe time, and he says hes only calling, cause his host, insisted on him calling in, hence me telling john to do it, now were getting into the titor references



    2:15 a guy calls "again" and needs a zip code or "something" and art says it, then repeats it, after he hangs up with him



    3 min mark, seems like giving off code, and the light talk is particularly interesting to me, seems like art knows what hes doing too, and helps read off what hes saying

    also go to 9:00 minutes AND YOU GET THE FAX/EMAIL FROM JOHN TITOR!!! anyone who talked to titor, or researched his stuff, top to bottom knows thats titor, there is no doubting that!!!



    continued, the rest of the email, the oldest one, was a skyscrapper, that wasnt built by a near favorite store of mine, in NEW YORK!!!

    IM HERE NOW IN THIS TIME TO TEST A FEW THEORIES OF MINE... AKA THE THEORIES OF MINE
     
  19. TheSerbRyder_ReTurns

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    my bad, i was so busy doing this work, i didnt even realize that, im sorry, admin, if you can please move all the video posts, and now im gonna answer all these posts while i was doing this
     
  20. TheSerbRyder_ReTurns

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    my bad in the end it may make sense, why? it seemed like it was driving it off, i was really just giving people clues they may not have noticed, and in the fax john does say the other time travelers calling in, so that hints that others could have been real
     

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