Astronomers Think They've Discovered A Neptune-Sized Ninth Planet Beyond Pluto

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In 2005, the discovery of the dwarf planet Eris by Caltech astronomer Mike Brown and his colleagues ultimately led to Pluto being demoted as the ninth planet of the Solar System a year later. Brown took to his status as the man who relegated Pluto with aplomb; his handle on Twitter is, rather appropriately, “plutokiller.”

But new research, published today in The Astronomical Journal by Brown and his colleague Konstantin Batygin, is sure to cause a stir. He is proposing the existence of a real ninth planet of the Solar System, dubbed “Planet Nine” and ostentatiously nicknamed “Phattie,” that would be almost the size of Neptune.

The planet has not been observed; rather, the astronomers have put together a mathematical model that infers its existence. “We have a gravitational signature of a giant planet in the outer Solar System,” Batygin told Nature. But interestingly, they say that some of the most powerful telescopes on Earth at the moment may be capable of spotting it – and it may already be hiding in existing images.

Evidence for Planet Nine comes from the observed motion of objects in the Kuiper Belt, a vast region of comets beyond the orbit of Pluto. According to the paper, it suggests there is a planet ten times the mass of Earth on a hugely elliptical orbit around the Sun, completing an orbit every 10,000 to 20,000 years and never getting closer than 200 times the Earth-Sun distance.

A hefty degree of skepticism is certainly needed, though. After all, the infamous Planet X and the mythical Nibiru have been circling in astronomy and conspiracy circles for years. Planet Nine has not even been seen yet; it’s too early to say it exists for definite. But Brown himself is confident.

“OK, OK, I am now willing to admit: I DO believe that the solar system has nine planets,” he wrote on Twitter.

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‘Planet Nine’ May Exist: New Evidence for Another World in Our Solar System

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The mythical “Planet X” may actually be real, and scientists are calling it “Planet Nine.”

Astronomers have found evidence for a planet 10 times more massive than Earth in the far outer solar system, orbiting about 20 times farther from the sun than distant Neptune does.

“This would be a real ninth planet,” one of the researchers, Mike Brown of the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) in Pasadena, said in a statement. “There have only been two true planets discovered since ancient times, and this would be a third. It’s a pretty substantial chunk of our solar system that’s still out there to be found, which is pretty exciting.” [Evidence Mounts for Existence of ‘Planet X’ (Video)]


A predicted consequence of Planet Nine is that a second set of confined objects should also exist. These objects are forced into positions at right angles to Planet Nine and into orbits that are perpendicular to the plane of the solar system. Five known objects (blue) fit this prediction precisely. Credit: Caltech/R. Hurt (IPAC) [Diagram was created using WorldWide Telescope.]

This potential “Planet Nine” has not yet been observed. But Brown and his colleague, Konstantin Batygin, also of Caltech, are inferring its likely existence based on modeling work and the weird orbits of a number of small objects in the faraway Kuiper Belt, which lies beyond Neptune.
Specifically, six Kuiper Belt objects (KBOs) cruise around the sun on elliptical paths that all point in the same direction, even though the bodies are moving at different speeds. In addition, the six KBOs’ orbits all share the same tilt — roughly 30 degrees downward, relative to the plane of the eight officially recognized planets. (Pluto, which was the ninth planet until its 2006 reclassification by the International Astronomical Union, zips around the sun in a different plane.)

The odds of this latter phenomenon occurring by chance alone are about 0.007 percent, researchers said.


A planet with 10 times the mass of Earth may be orbiting the sun beyond Neptune. This image shows the theorized orbit of the giant planet and six other solar system objects beyond Neptune.
Credit: Caltech/R. Hurt (IPAC)

“Basically, it shouldn’t happen randomly,” Brown said. “So we thought something else must be shaping these orbits.”

Brown and Batygin considered the possibility that other relatively small KBOs might be shaping the orbits. But the duo’s calculations suggested that, for this to work, the Kuiper Belt would have to harbor about 100 times more mass than it’s thought to possess.

So they moved onto another possibility — a big, undiscovered planet out in the solar system’s frigid outer reaches. This is not such a wild or unprecedented idea; in the past few years, other researchers have suggested that a mysterious, massive Planet X could be responsible for the surprising orbits of newfound Kuiper Belt objects.

The new modeling work by Brown and Batygin bolsters this intriguing scenario. Their simulations show that the gravitational influence of a roughly 10-Earth-mass Planet Nine in an anti-aligned orbit — one in which the planet’s closest approach to the sun is 180 degrees across from that of all the other planets — could explain the KBOs’ odd orbits. [Our Solar System: A Photo Tour of the Planets]

This putative Planet Nine can also explain the distinctive and weird orbits of two dwarf planets in the Kuiper Belt, Sedna (which Brown discovered in 2003) and 2012 VP113, researchers said. The simulations also predicted that some KBOs would have orbits that are inclined perpendicular relative to the plane of the eight official planets. Four such bodies have been found recently, scientists said.
“We plotted up the positions of those objects and their orbits, and they matched the simulations exactly. When we found that, my jaw sort of hit the floor,” Brown said.

“When the simulation aligned the distant Kuiper Belt objects and created objects like Sedna, we thought this is kind of awesome — you kill two birds with one stone,” Batygin said in the same statement. “But with the existence of the planet also explaining these perpendicular orbits, not only do you kill two birds, you also take down a bird that you didn’t realize was sitting in a nearby tree.”


Researchers say an anomaly in the orbits of distant Kuiper Belt objects points to the existence of an unknown planet orbiting the sun. Here’s what we know of this potential “Planet Nine.”
Credit: by Karl Tate, Infographics artis

Planet Nine may have formed closer to the sun, and been kicked out to its current location after a gravitational interaction with Jupiter or Saturn, Brown and Batygin said.

If Planet Nine is real, it would fill a notable gap in our solar system, they added.

“One of the most startling discoveries about other planetary systems has been that the most common type of planet out there has a mass between that of Earth and that of Neptune,” Batygin said. “Until now, we’ve thought that the solar system was lacking in this most common type of planet. Maybe we’re more normal after all.”

Brown and other observational astronomers (Batygin is a theorist) are now searching for Planet Nine. The planet’s orbit has been mapped out, but its exact location is not known. Still, Brown said, many telescopes on Earth have a good shot at spotting the planet, if it exists.

“I would love to find it,” Brown said. “But I’d also be perfectly happy if someone else found it. That is why we’re publishing this paper. We hope that other people are going to get inspired and start searching.”

Brown has discovered or co-discovered a number of objects in the outer solar system, including Sedna and the dwarf planet Eris, which is about the same size as Pluto. These finds played a role in the 2006 reclassification of Pluto to “dwarf planet” — a decision that Brown supports.

“All those people who are mad that Pluto is no longer a planet can be thrilled to know that there is a real planet out there still to be found,” Brown said. “Now we can go and find this planet and make the solar system have nine planets once again.”
 

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Great postings Prof..Lets see more of them please...astronomy is not posted very much and its always good to know exactly what is beyond our own earth that we can see and enjoy :)
 

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hot damn 7 ha ha nibiru, planet x, funny thow no mention of ole Zecharia huh... :rolleyes: LOL remember all them long drawn out explains and crap folks spouted at us nuts back in the day:eek:...I love it when the day comes for a hearty NANNY NANNY BOO BOO....:p
what was it now?? something to the effect of,,,,, we know there is no nibiru cause the gravity shit would show it's effectso_0... and now that's just what we are told ..LOL:ROFLMAO: all of a sudden theres gravity shit going on :confused: dah .....well chumly I think we need to go see mr. whoopy ... I love it... damn good find 7...

I will be most interested to see where they spot it at in it's rotation, and what the ETA will be to our area.. if I remember right we are spose to be able to see it in the sky with eyes only. damn I am going to have to go re read sitchin. oh well good show 7
 

PaulaJedi

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Very cool. You guys beat me to it. I guess it will take a few years for a probe to reach the planet and take photos, if that's even possible. (Depends on where it is located in its orbit). Are they going to name it or are they waiting for photo confirmation?
 

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