First reaction to John Titor story

Chromium

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First reaction to John Titor story

The notion of the Titor story being the product of a collaborative effort from several specialised people is something i have thought over in great detail. One thing i hadn't thought of though, was that it could have been a government sponsored exercise. That is a brilliant hypothesis, and one that makes the sci-fi crazy part of my brain litterally pulsate with excitement.

The things to consider:

There are undoubtedly thousands of highly intelligent, specialised and secret minds working for the US government. There must be sections of the government dedicated to the prediction of future world events because of the obvious volatility of our current world climate and because of their need to know that their existence will be a secure and prolonged one. There are, and have been for some time, highly complex devices and branches of mathematics and physics models applied to many predictive themes. Japan currently own the largest (known) computer system which models weather patterns. The actual accuracy of this modelling system is staggering considering the chaotic elements and unpredictability associated with the weather. If the technology is there for us to predict future events as complicated as the weather, then it would be no surprise to me that the same kind of system could be adapted to the world population and its influence on future world events. Providing the intial data is accurate and enough of it is fed into a system, the outcome will be as accurate as the credibility of the data fed into it.

Imagine a collection of people assigned a task to predict where we are going as a nation. They are given unlimited access to a government owned supercomputer and are told to use all means necessary to obtain data relating to our future. What if these people ran the simulations only to find the end result saying we will all blow ourselves up in ten to fifteen years. Obviously a hasty re-write in the initial data would be required before anyone could rightfully conclude the predictions as accurate. What if they tried many different ways, but kept coming to the same drastic conclusion? I am sure the results would be brought to the attention of the highest ranking officials fairly speedily.

So, what then would they do to counteract these upcoming events? Using the titor story would be an excellent way to guage the reaction of the people, and to gain a broad spectrum of opinion from the populace. I don't think this would be THE device used to reverse the inevitable, but i am sure it would be a very useful tool to raise awareness without having to tell people exactly what is going to happen. If the government have indeed made some startling discoveries, then it would be in their best interests to start the ball rolling now. And Titor would be a great way to slowly assimilate people to the possibility without invoking widespread panic.

Sometimes real life can be far more interesting than fiction.
 

Phoenix

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CaryP often makes reference to something very much like you are describing chromium. It is on halfpasthuman.com
 

CaryP

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The web bot technology at halfpasthuman.com is only a few years old, and is considered in its infancy by the developer. It is used for short term predictions - 3 to 6 months out. The Pentagon does do a lot of "future reading" and have been for over forty years. The more powerful computers available today would be an essential tool to this task. The CIA, NSA and other govt. agencies have been into predicting future scenarios big time. My take is that the longer range planning of the PTB included some of what we are seeing with Homeland Security and the Patriot Acts. In other words, the gradual loss of privacy and freedoms has been a long range goal of the govt. establishment. Looking into how the populace would react would be a vital part of the process. Make it slow enough over time, and everyone gets used to it, because "it's always been this way, right?". But at some point, the govt. would make the "big move" to consolidate power and remove citizens rights and privacy. The Titor scenario may have come up in the analysis in the late 90's when computers power was really taking off. Plant the story in a public way - the internet was just coming on strong then. The internet provides an anonymous method to float any trial balloons you want. Anyway, just my thoughts.

Cary
 

Grayson

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Originally posted by CaryP@Sep 12 2004, 05:15 PM
The web bot technology at halfpasthuman.com is only a few years old, and is considered in its infancy by the developer. It is used for short term predictions - 3 to 6 months out. The Pentagon does do a lot of \"future reading\" and have been for over forty years. The more powerful computers available today would be an essential tool to this task. The CIA, NSA and other govt. agencies have been into predicting future scenarios big time. My take is that the longer range planning of the PTB included some of what we are seeing with Homeland Security and the Patriot Acts. In other words, the gradual loss of privacy and freedoms has been a long range goal of the govt. establishment. Looking into how the populace would react would be a vital part of the process. Make it slow enough over time, and everyone gets used to it, because \"it's always been this way, right?\". But at some point, the govt. would make the \"big move\" to consolidate power and remove citizens rights and privacy. The Titor scenario may have come up in the analysis in the late 90's when computers power was really taking off. Plant the story in a public way - the internet was just coming on strong then. The internet provides an anonymous method to float any trial balloons you want. Anyway, just my thoughts.

Cary

And very scary thoughts too Cary. That's a very disturbing scenario that you paint, have been painting for a while now. Any links of interest to peruse on this subject?
 

sosuemetoo

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Originally posted by CaryP@Sep 12 2004, 12:15 PM
In other words, the gradual loss of privacy and freedoms has been a long range goal of the govt. establishment.

The only reasons I feel this theory is not possible is that it would take three things:

1. A large number of people in on a conspiracy.

2. Keeping a secret.

3. Keeping a secret over a long period of time.


It is hard for me to believe that there wouldn't be one person out of the group that wouldn't expose the hoax. In essence, it seems that the entire US government is against the populace. I'm all for conspiracy theories, I have an open mind, but this would require me to distrust/question almost all elected and hired officials of the US government. Hard to believe.

"Mom"
 

Judge Bean

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Originally posted by sosuemetoo+Sep 13 2004, 10:53 PM--><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-CaryP@Sep 12 2004, 12:15 PM
In other words, the gradual loss of privacy and freedoms has been a long range goal of the govt. establishment.

The only reasons I feel this theory is not possible is that it would take three things:

1. A large number of people in on a conspiracy.

2. Keeping a secret.

3. Keeping a secret over a long period of time.


It is hard for me to believe that there wouldn't be one person out of the group that wouldn't expose the hoax. In essence, it seems that the entire US government is against the populace. I'm all for conspiracy theories, I have an open mind, but this would require me to distrust/question almost all elected and hired officials of the US government. Hard to believe.

"Mom"
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It is a mistake to think that a conspiracy must be competent or even completely successful. For example, the FBI continues to struggle to conceal certain aspects of the JFK case, and finds itself contrary to the interests of the CIA and Justice Dept.

It is a mistake to think that a conspiracy requires secrecy. In a way, it oddly requires leakage to get anywhere, because it often depends upon intimidation, and a strange reputation for clamping down on leaks. In other words, it needs a leak to show what it will do if there's a leak.

It is a mistake to think that a conspiracy has a deadline or due date. The professed goal of the CIA, for example, is to conduct massive operations, involving sometimes entire populations, as secretly as possible, and to make the operation "secure," or, in other words, permanent. This is why the truth about the South and Central American military dictators is still obscured after 50 years, in spite of the fact that the whole prank took most of that time to pull.

Our government has been involved in deep studies of "scenarios" since the beginning of the Cold War, boosted by computer science, and most of the scenarios involve nuclear catastrophe and terrorist strikes and invasions. One of the most popular scenarios before 1963 was "assassination of the president." The scenarios include prospective futures caused by upheaval.

Titor resembles a government scenario even more than he does a science fiction story.
 

StarLord

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Sosuemetoo,

Are you aware of the US and East Block Powers (Russia) game of playing "Follow That Plague / Bug" that has been played for the last 40 years or so? A person traveling to "over there" would be 'infected' before the journey, the bug would incubate, the traveler would then get sick, become infectious, you sit back and watch the news papers/news casts and monitor hospitals regarding outbreaks of major 'Flu' like cases. It is child's play to attach a virus along with another virus where the former has a very long incubation period. Said scenarios have been played both in computer models and in real life.

Where do you think AIDS came from? , Certainly not some chimp or ape, that excuse is nothing but insulting. Just the exact way that disease attacks the host is a tailored art form in disease progression. AIDS did not create itself, nor did it evolve in the jungle, it was built by man. How long has AIDS been ravaging people around the world and still continues? Perhaps on someone's death bed (if they haven't been put away already) the truth will come out as to it's genesis. I wouldn't hold my breath though.

In all honesty, the general public is a "kept vegetable" raised on a plethora of attention stealing, free thinking inhibited, gadget chasing, self perpetuating environmental indulgence, where keeping up with the jones's is a priority. They / TPB have ingrained the population to following the Que as almost mandatory.

Just look at how much being politically correct has ham strung us and delegated us to the position of a backseat driver with no voice. It's a very good thing that some of us here are not lemmings. For me I have learned to fight the urge 'to run'.

When dealing with the guberment, 25 to 30 year old or more, secret projects are a way of life and more than the norm. What ever you think you know about the govt. is a pale shadow of the real tip of the iceberg that does not melt because due to our funds, along the years it has but grown exponentially below the surface.
 

lev

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::.. This is a very interesting discussion ..::

::.. However ..::.. If this were a controlled government project, why would the target group(s) consist of those of us that are easily baited into tales of Anomalies and conspiracy theories to begin with? ..::
 

StarLord

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Sci-Fi / "time travel" theme , "mystery" of what a time traveler may reveal about the future. Gossip like this is worth it's weight in diamonds to some people. Sheep don't usually bother with stuff like this, they are too busy checking to see if their elbow functions when holding 12 to 16 ozs of cold fluid while being asualted visually with mind numbing, grey matter ossifying, electricaly distributed pablum. & Oh My Gawd Ethel, there's 175 channels!!!!!

Your question gave all the answers you seek right there. It's *because* your looking in places like that. What better place to hide a conspiricy than in a tale of impending doom and gloom where the govt. is the villan and gets blasted in the end. Don't you like happy endings?
 

Cornelia

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Chromium,
Some of the members here maybe remember the thread I posted on the old forum. My "scenario" was exactly the one you called "the government scenario".
But with a slight difference: the person/persons doing the JT story were NOT allowed by the govt. They were a sort of "lone wolves", trying to raise the awareness of people about what they've discovered in their everyday job for the govt.
I called them "diverted intelligence", means insiders who act without the govt consent. I always remember what JT said: "In order to find me, they must believe Time Travelling is possible". My translation is "In order to find me, they must look in Time Travellers boards and sites, which is something they'll never do."

----Cornelia (first post after the warning...)-----
 

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