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<blockquote data-quote="Eutychus" data-source="post: 24123" data-attributes="member: 287"><p><strong>Re: GOD:True or false</strong></p><p></p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Alpha and 0mega\")</div></p><p></p><p>First off, Alph, I think you are wrong in presuming this discussion isn't for religious persons, as if you're the first person to come up with these objections and that they are irrefutable. And aren't you a little young to be playing the part of someone so jaded?</p><p></p><p>Anywho, underlying your first objection is the common thread that runs through all humanity that there is a supreme being, almost as though worship, or the desire to worship, is an instinctive reaction. Why would such a thing be hardwired into us if we crawled up out of the ooze? </p><p></p><p>Your second objection, that our image of God is out of step with the times, really goes nowhere because if God exists, he's bigger than fashion trends and likely doesn't care. Heck, he may wear a leisure suit. Ask your parents about leisure suits.</p><p></p><p>If God played the role of disaster preventer, then we might develop the notion that there is nothing to worry about, God will keep the world running like a well-oiled machine. We would love him for what he does for us, not for who he is. Is that any way to have a healthy relationship with anyone? "If you do for me, I'll love you." Personally, I want more from my relationships than that.</p><p></p><p>"The heavens declare the glory of God" the psalmist said. Creation points to a creator in so many ways. The blueprints are everywhere if you have a powerful enough microscope. And for a 33 year stretch, God did come down from his sleepy heaven and say a big "hello" to us.</p><p></p><p>The Greeks had a term to deal with your 5th objection. It was the idea of the Prime Mover, someone or thing that was outside of creation, not bound by it, and therefor able to enact creation. Self-sustaining and uncreated. So the "who created God" argument was settled by Pletan (Plato), Socrates, Aristotle and the like.</p><p></p><p>God might have been an ET? OK, go the extra 2000 light years and determine how life originated where ET grew up. Life had to begin somewhere, sometime. If ET seeded this planet, who seeded ETs?</p><p>You can only use this argument until you get back to the big bang. Prior to that, the universe didn't exist. Life had to start somewhere. Where and how?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eutychus, post: 24123, member: 287"] [b]Re: GOD:True or false[/b] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Alpha and 0mega\")</div> First off, Alph, I think you are wrong in presuming this discussion isn't for religious persons, as if you're the first person to come up with these objections and that they are irrefutable. And aren't you a little young to be playing the part of someone so jaded? Anywho, underlying your first objection is the common thread that runs through all humanity that there is a supreme being, almost as though worship, or the desire to worship, is an instinctive reaction. Why would such a thing be hardwired into us if we crawled up out of the ooze? Your second objection, that our image of God is out of step with the times, really goes nowhere because if God exists, he's bigger than fashion trends and likely doesn't care. Heck, he may wear a leisure suit. Ask your parents about leisure suits. If God played the role of disaster preventer, then we might develop the notion that there is nothing to worry about, God will keep the world running like a well-oiled machine. We would love him for what he does for us, not for who he is. Is that any way to have a healthy relationship with anyone? "If you do for me, I'll love you." Personally, I want more from my relationships than that. "The heavens declare the glory of God" the psalmist said. Creation points to a creator in so many ways. The blueprints are everywhere if you have a powerful enough microscope. And for a 33 year stretch, God did come down from his sleepy heaven and say a big "hello" to us. The Greeks had a term to deal with your 5th objection. It was the idea of the Prime Mover, someone or thing that was outside of creation, not bound by it, and therefor able to enact creation. Self-sustaining and uncreated. So the "who created God" argument was settled by Pletan (Plato), Socrates, Aristotle and the like. God might have been an ET? OK, go the extra 2000 light years and determine how life originated where ET grew up. Life had to begin somewhere, sometime. If ET seeded this planet, who seeded ETs? You can only use this argument until you get back to the big bang. Prior to that, the universe didn't exist. Life had to start somewhere. Where and how? [/QUOTE]
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