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<blockquote data-quote="StarLord" data-source="post: 46337" data-attributes="member: 44"><p>Sorry to crush your fantasy bubble about the Russians in the 50's, OBE, Out of body expereices were known almost 2,000 years ago:</p><p><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 14px"><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'">THE PRACTICE OF REMOTE VIEWING OR traveling clairvoyance, as I said in last week?s column, is not at all a modern discovery of Western science?only the name is. In fact, a good example of it can be found in the Christian Bible itself.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 14px"><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'">Chapter 5 of the Book of Kings 2 tells the story of how the prophet Elisha ?saw? what his servant Gehazi did outside his house without being there. According to the biblical story, the commander of the King of Aram?s army, Naaman, suffered from leprosy and was willing to give his great wealth to anyone who could cure him. A servant told him that a prophet of the Lord named Elisha in the land of Israel could help him. So he went with his horses and chariots to Elisha, who told him to wash himself in the River of Jordan seven times and his leprosy would be gone. He was at first reluctant to do so because it sounded ridiculous to him, but was later persuaded to do it. As soon as he finished washing in the famous river the seventh time, his leprosy was miraculously cured and his skin restored to normal.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 14px"><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'">So Naaman offered Elisha a present but Elisha refused no matter how strongly Naaman persuaded him to accept it. So, Naaman thanked Elisha and left with his chariots and horses. Unknown to them, Elisha?s servant Gehazi heard everything and said to himself that his master?s guest should not get away without getting something from him. So he ran after Naaman and his men outside the gate of Elisha?s house.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 14px"><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'">When Naaman saw somebody running after them, he stopped his chariot and asked Gehazi what was wrong. Gehazi told a lie and said to Naaman that his master sent him to say that two prophets from another land just came and they needed ?a talent of silver and two changes of clothing.?</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 14px"><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'">Naaman was only too glad to oblige and gave Gehazi ?two talents of silver in two bags with changes of clothing.?</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 14px"><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'">When Gehazi returned to the house, Elisha asked him where he had been. Gehazi lied again and replied, ?Your servant has not gone anywhere at all.?</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 14px"><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'">But Elisha said to him, ?Did I not go with you in spirit when someone left his chariot to meet you? Is this a time to accept money and to accept clothing, olive orchards and vineyards, sheep and oxen and male and female slaves?? ?Therefore,? Elisha said, ?the leprosy of Naaman shall cling to you and your descendants.? And immediately Gehazi became leprous, as white as snow. (Source: The Holy Bible, New Revised Standard Version)</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 14px"><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'">The above story is clearly a case of remote viewing because Elisha saw what his servant Gehazi did at a distance without being there. This could also be a case of astral projection, which sometimes happens during a remote viewing exercise.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 14px"><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'">The next remarkable case of remote viewing I found happened in the 18th century and was told by no less than the eminent and highly respected Swiss psychologist Carl G. Jung in his book ?Psychology and the Occult? as translated by R.F.C. Hull. This story was verified and commented on by the great German philosopher Immanuel Kant. I shall merely summarize the story here to save space.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 14px"><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'">On a Saturday afternoon in late 1759, Emanuel Swedenborg, the well-known Swedish mystic and seer, was invited by a friend to a party in Gottenburg, about 50 miles from Stockholm where Swedenborg lived.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 14px"><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'">Two hours later, at 6 p.m., Swedenborg went out of his friend?s house and announced that a terrible fire had broken out near his neighborhood. He said the house of one of his friends had already been burned and his own house was in danger. He went out several times to check on the progress of the fire, which was not visible from where he was at the time. At 8 p.m., Swedenborg gave a sigh of relief and announced the fire had been extinguished just three houses away from his.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 14px"><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'">The other guests were of course puzzled at what Swedenborg was talking about. The governor was told that evening what Swedenborg had seen, and the next day, Sunday, he was questioned by the governor about what he saw. Swedenborg, according to the comment made by Kant, ?described the fire precisely, how it had begun and in what manner it had ceased and how long it had continued.?</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 14px"><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'">The official intelligence report released on Tuesday and submitted to the governor confirmed in detail what Swedenborg had told the governor about the fire, including the exact time the fire was put out, at 8 p.m.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 14px"><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'">What the guests witnessed in that party in 18th-century Sweden was clearly a case of remote viewing or the ability to project one?s awareness or consciousness to a distant place and describe it accurately. It is not a modern phenomenon but is as old as ancient history. The SRI scientists merely confirmed such ability exists in most people and gave it a scientific name.</span></span></span><a href="http://lifestyle.inquirer.net/wellness/wellness/view/20091229-244395/Remote_viewing_known__since__biblical_times" target="_blank">http://lifestyle.inquirer.net/wellness/wellness/view/20091229-244395/Remote_viewing_known__since__biblical_times</a></p><p></p><p>Nazi delves into the occult, OBE, RV way before the Russians thought of it:</p><p><a href="http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_mindcon52.htm" target="_blank">http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_mindcon52.htm</a></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff"><strong>However, this debate is about you proving your hoax isn't a hoax. This debate is about you proving you are not wasting everybody's time shilling gibbs placebo.</strong></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff"><strong>Prove that it works. Quit tossing out useless Red Herrings.</strong></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="StarLord, post: 46337, member: 44"] Sorry to crush your fantasy bubble about the Russians in the 50's, OBE, Out of body expereices were known almost 2,000 years ago: [COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=14px][FONT=Georgia]THE PRACTICE OF REMOTE VIEWING OR traveling clairvoyance, as I said in last week?s column, is not at all a modern discovery of Western science?only the name is. In fact, a good example of it can be found in the Christian Bible itself.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=14px][FONT=Georgia]Chapter 5 of the Book of Kings 2 tells the story of how the prophet Elisha ?saw? what his servant Gehazi did outside his house without being there. According to the biblical story, the commander of the King of Aram?s army, Naaman, suffered from leprosy and was willing to give his great wealth to anyone who could cure him. A servant told him that a prophet of the Lord named Elisha in the land of Israel could help him. So he went with his horses and chariots to Elisha, who told him to wash himself in the River of Jordan seven times and his leprosy would be gone. He was at first reluctant to do so because it sounded ridiculous to him, but was later persuaded to do it. As soon as he finished washing in the famous river the seventh time, his leprosy was miraculously cured and his skin restored to normal.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=14px][FONT=Georgia]So Naaman offered Elisha a present but Elisha refused no matter how strongly Naaman persuaded him to accept it. So, Naaman thanked Elisha and left with his chariots and horses. Unknown to them, Elisha?s servant Gehazi heard everything and said to himself that his master?s guest should not get away without getting something from him. So he ran after Naaman and his men outside the gate of Elisha?s house.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=14px][FONT=Georgia]When Naaman saw somebody running after them, he stopped his chariot and asked Gehazi what was wrong. Gehazi told a lie and said to Naaman that his master sent him to say that two prophets from another land just came and they needed ?a talent of silver and two changes of clothing.?[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=14px][FONT=Georgia]Naaman was only too glad to oblige and gave Gehazi ?two talents of silver in two bags with changes of clothing.?[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=14px][FONT=Georgia]When Gehazi returned to the house, Elisha asked him where he had been. Gehazi lied again and replied, ?Your servant has not gone anywhere at all.?[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=14px][FONT=Georgia]But Elisha said to him, ?Did I not go with you in spirit when someone left his chariot to meet you? Is this a time to accept money and to accept clothing, olive orchards and vineyards, sheep and oxen and male and female slaves?? ?Therefore,? Elisha said, ?the leprosy of Naaman shall cling to you and your descendants.? And immediately Gehazi became leprous, as white as snow. (Source: The Holy Bible, New Revised Standard Version)[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=14px][FONT=Georgia]The above story is clearly a case of remote viewing because Elisha saw what his servant Gehazi did at a distance without being there. This could also be a case of astral projection, which sometimes happens during a remote viewing exercise.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=14px][FONT=Georgia]The next remarkable case of remote viewing I found happened in the 18th century and was told by no less than the eminent and highly respected Swiss psychologist Carl G. Jung in his book ?Psychology and the Occult? as translated by R.F.C. Hull. This story was verified and commented on by the great German philosopher Immanuel Kant. I shall merely summarize the story here to save space.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=14px][FONT=Georgia]On a Saturday afternoon in late 1759, Emanuel Swedenborg, the well-known Swedish mystic and seer, was invited by a friend to a party in Gottenburg, about 50 miles from Stockholm where Swedenborg lived.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=14px][FONT=Georgia]Two hours later, at 6 p.m., Swedenborg went out of his friend?s house and announced that a terrible fire had broken out near his neighborhood. He said the house of one of his friends had already been burned and his own house was in danger. He went out several times to check on the progress of the fire, which was not visible from where he was at the time. At 8 p.m., Swedenborg gave a sigh of relief and announced the fire had been extinguished just three houses away from his.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=14px][FONT=Georgia]The other guests were of course puzzled at what Swedenborg was talking about. The governor was told that evening what Swedenborg had seen, and the next day, Sunday, he was questioned by the governor about what he saw. Swedenborg, according to the comment made by Kant, ?described the fire precisely, how it had begun and in what manner it had ceased and how long it had continued.?[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=14px][FONT=Georgia]The official intelligence report released on Tuesday and submitted to the governor confirmed in detail what Swedenborg had told the governor about the fire, including the exact time the fire was put out, at 8 p.m.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=14px][FONT=Georgia]What the guests witnessed in that party in 18th-century Sweden was clearly a case of remote viewing or the ability to project one?s awareness or consciousness to a distant place and describe it accurately. It is not a modern phenomenon but is as old as ancient history. The SRI scientists merely confirmed such ability exists in most people and gave it a scientific name.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][URL]http://lifestyle.inquirer.net/wellness/wellness/view/20091229-244395/Remote_viewing_known__since__biblical_times[/URL] Nazi delves into the occult, OBE, RV way before the Russians thought of it: [URL]http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_mindcon52.htm[/URL] [COLOR=#ffffff][B]However, this debate is about you proving your hoax isn't a hoax. This debate is about you proving you are not wasting everybody's time shilling gibbs placebo.[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ffffff][B]Prove that it works. Quit tossing out useless Red Herrings.[/B][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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