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Health Care - this "loss" is really a WIN!!!!
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<blockquote data-quote="Into the Mystic" data-source="post: 153922" data-attributes="member: 8041"><p>Socialism is when the workers own the means of production. Now, I know for a certain fact that the British workers definitely DO NOT own the means of production. Ergo, socialism does not exist in the United Kingdom. As for your points:</p><p></p><p>a) Free healthcare is not a bad thing. I broke my foot a few years ago, yet didn't have to pay a penny for the operation nor the recovery. In the US I'd have been a couple of thousand in debt.</p><p>b) There are a lot of Brits living in poverty but it is not down to 'socialism'. It is down to the CONSERVATIVE government cutting benefits, not raising the minimum wage high enough and not creating enough jobs. Nothing to do with 'socialism'.</p><p>c) And gun crime in the UK is amongst the lowest in the world. If the Westminster attacker had been armed with a gun the death toll, which is currently 5, would have been at least triple that. Since 1980, there have been THREE shooting massacres, and the most recent was in 2010.</p><p>d) True democracy, in which the people get a say in absolutely everything, does not exist and cannot exist anywhere in the world. Yet the UK is the home of modern representative democracy. I can vote. I can hate the government. I can be a member of rival parties. Of course, the UK is increasingly becoming a tax-haven oligarchy like the US, but I can still vote to kick the government out.</p><p>e) I am not a domesticated and loyal servant to my state. I absolutely despise the party that currently runs my country and will fight tooth and nail to help kick them out of Downing Street. For you to conflate my defending a person's basic right to healthcare with my being a 'servant' to the British state is simultaneously terrifying and downright hilarious in its idiocy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Into the Mystic, post: 153922, member: 8041"] Socialism is when the workers own the means of production. Now, I know for a certain fact that the British workers definitely DO NOT own the means of production. Ergo, socialism does not exist in the United Kingdom. As for your points: a) Free healthcare is not a bad thing. I broke my foot a few years ago, yet didn't have to pay a penny for the operation nor the recovery. In the US I'd have been a couple of thousand in debt. b) There are a lot of Brits living in poverty but it is not down to 'socialism'. It is down to the CONSERVATIVE government cutting benefits, not raising the minimum wage high enough and not creating enough jobs. Nothing to do with 'socialism'. c) And gun crime in the UK is amongst the lowest in the world. If the Westminster attacker had been armed with a gun the death toll, which is currently 5, would have been at least triple that. Since 1980, there have been THREE shooting massacres, and the most recent was in 2010. d) True democracy, in which the people get a say in absolutely everything, does not exist and cannot exist anywhere in the world. Yet the UK is the home of modern representative democracy. I can vote. I can hate the government. I can be a member of rival parties. Of course, the UK is increasingly becoming a tax-haven oligarchy like the US, but I can still vote to kick the government out. e) I am not a domesticated and loyal servant to my state. I absolutely despise the party that currently runs my country and will fight tooth and nail to help kick them out of Downing Street. For you to conflate my defending a person's basic right to healthcare with my being a 'servant' to the British state is simultaneously terrifying and downright hilarious in its idiocy. [/QUOTE]
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