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<blockquote data-quote="Zoomerz" data-source="post: 25353" data-attributes="member: 390"><p><strong>Re: If the Universe Spun</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>What I'm saying is, you're "interpreting" the fact that you saw an event occur 6 hours (your "time") before it happened to mean that TT is true, in that the information "travelled through time" to get to you here 6 hours in the past. And I'm trying to say that it's your interpretation of those events, which may or may not be the "what" and "why" that actually happened.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, since there is no scientific explanation available, we cannot assume that our current perception (i.e. "the information travelled through time to get to me") is accurate.</p><p></p><p></p><p>They can just as easily lead you astray if not approached scientifically. Any perception you have of the events should be interpreted through science, not intuition. Since we don't really have any science to deal with many of these "experiential" things, we can only know (for now) that they happened. Again, I'm not saying you're wrong. You might be right on the money. We just can't say it yet.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Please explain your use of "valid" here. How does a theory become "valid"? A theory is a theory. It is not a fact until it is proven. All theories are "refutible". That's why they're theories, and not facts. An analogy of your approach here is along the lines of "If it looks like a fish, acts like a fish, and smells like a fish, it's probably a fish" in lieu of scientific "proof". If you're inclined to believe it, that's fine. Just don't use the word "irrefutible".</p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed, however, it's not the "fact" (as known by the one who experienced it) that it happened. It's the "interpretation" of what it meant, and what actually happened. Your interpretation that "information travelled through time" may or may not be accurate, but certainly (at least to you), the event actually is a fact.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Experience cannot be directly related to theory. You don't "theoretically" experience anything. You either experienced it, or not. Your interpretation of that experience is another matter. You can theorize about it, or you can explain it scientifically. My point is, if there's no science to back up your "interpretation" that information travelled through time, then it's your theory as to what happened, and not fact.</p><p></p><p>Sorry to be so long-winded!</p><p></p><p>Z-</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zoomerz, post: 25353, member: 390"] [b]Re: If the Universe Spun[/b] What I'm saying is, you're "interpreting" the fact that you saw an event occur 6 hours (your "time") before it happened to mean that TT is true, in that the information "travelled through time" to get to you here 6 hours in the past. And I'm trying to say that it's your interpretation of those events, which may or may not be the "what" and "why" that actually happened. Yes, since there is no scientific explanation available, we cannot assume that our current perception (i.e. "the information travelled through time to get to me") is accurate. They can just as easily lead you astray if not approached scientifically. Any perception you have of the events should be interpreted through science, not intuition. Since we don't really have any science to deal with many of these "experiential" things, we can only know (for now) that they happened. Again, I'm not saying you're wrong. You might be right on the money. We just can't say it yet. Please explain your use of "valid" here. How does a theory become "valid"? A theory is a theory. It is not a fact until it is proven. All theories are "refutible". That's why they're theories, and not facts. An analogy of your approach here is along the lines of "If it looks like a fish, acts like a fish, and smells like a fish, it's probably a fish" in lieu of scientific "proof". If you're inclined to believe it, that's fine. Just don't use the word "irrefutible". Agreed, however, it's not the "fact" (as known by the one who experienced it) that it happened. It's the "interpretation" of what it meant, and what actually happened. Your interpretation that "information travelled through time" may or may not be accurate, but certainly (at least to you), the event actually is a fact. Experience cannot be directly related to theory. You don't "theoretically" experience anything. You either experienced it, or not. Your interpretation of that experience is another matter. You can theorize about it, or you can explain it scientifically. My point is, if there's no science to back up your "interpretation" that information travelled through time, then it's your theory as to what happened, and not fact. Sorry to be so long-winded! Z- [/QUOTE]
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