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<blockquote data-quote="denbo88" data-source="post: 25355" data-attributes="member: 428"><p><strong>Re: If the Universe Spun</strong></p><p></p><p>Wow, where do I start. I see I'm going to be here a while.:dry: </p><p> </p><p>Waiting for scientific methods to catch up with time travel theory seems to me to be asking a lot of it at this point in it's evolution.</p><p>Starlord, I'm feeling like a Flatlander who had a glimpse of the 3rd dimension and is trying to explain it in 2 dimensional terms. The NOW is a term from another reality, not mine. My system of thought cannot incorporate it enough to do it justice, but I sense it's value to understanding higher dimensions. Until then, I have to talk in Flatlander talk as much as I can. That is my native reality, my native language.</p><p> </p><p>Zoomerz, "They (experiences) can just as easily lead you astray if not approached scientifically. Any perception you have of the events should be interpreted through science, not intuition." </p><p>I have to premise my remarks by saying one thing: I believe that the Creator has determined man's primary learning tool to be thru his experiences through out time. Understanding God's world has to be understandable, revelation has to be revelatory. I believe that experiences are the Creator's way of communicating truths to us. It would facilitate understanding for a man to comprehend by his own mental abilitities and evaluate his experiences. I would not be so quick to dismiss experiences and interpreting them freely, although some us are prone to torturing meaning at times. Science has been notorious in the past for leading people astray too. Today we laugh at much of it. Phrenology comes to mind. Likewise humors, the 7 heavens, blood-letting, etc. The list is as long as your arm. A 1000 years from now, what if we are considered a part of and included in the "pre-scientific era". Imagine that. A thousand years ago they were so sure the world was flat and that they had so much knowledge.</p><p> </p><p>"Please explain your use of "valid" here." Valid as in a tautology; if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true. I consider experiences to be valid in forming premises. I respect subjective experiences because they were observers of a rare moment when natural law manifested itself uniquely. It reminds me of something A.N. Whitehead once said, "there is no such thing as the Supernatural, only the unique natural." So personal experience is special and I will not dismiss it. Theories provide a set of principles for explaining phenomena. Theories can be validated. Einstein's theory of relativity was validated nowhere as well as at Almagordo, Nagasaki and Hiroshima. I also will contend that there is no "objective" reality, facts, science. Even the paradigm we take for granted is a reality we all agree to. Everything is subjectively interpreted, it's just some more than others.</p><p> </p><p>So experience can provide <u>principles</u> to help explain phenomena. I'm just saying it's an excellent place to <u>start</u> to look for truth. Experiences lead to philosophy, philosophy leads to theory, theory leads to science. Experiences can point us in the right direction. The scientific method can be helpful at times, but don't make it do to much. It just may be limited to a 4 dimensional world.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="denbo88, post: 25355, member: 428"] [b]Re: If the Universe Spun[/b] Wow, where do I start. I see I'm going to be here a while.:dry: Waiting for scientific methods to catch up with time travel theory seems to me to be asking a lot of it at this point in it's evolution. Starlord, I'm feeling like a Flatlander who had a glimpse of the 3rd dimension and is trying to explain it in 2 dimensional terms. The NOW is a term from another reality, not mine. My system of thought cannot incorporate it enough to do it justice, but I sense it's value to understanding higher dimensions. Until then, I have to talk in Flatlander talk as much as I can. That is my native reality, my native language. Zoomerz, "They (experiences) can just as easily lead you astray if not approached scientifically. Any perception you have of the events should be interpreted through science, not intuition." I have to premise my remarks by saying one thing: I believe that the Creator has determined man's primary learning tool to be thru his experiences through out time. Understanding God's world has to be understandable, revelation has to be revelatory. I believe that experiences are the Creator's way of communicating truths to us. It would facilitate understanding for a man to comprehend by his own mental abilitities and evaluate his experiences. I would not be so quick to dismiss experiences and interpreting them freely, although some us are prone to torturing meaning at times. Science has been notorious in the past for leading people astray too. Today we laugh at much of it. Phrenology comes to mind. Likewise humors, the 7 heavens, blood-letting, etc. The list is as long as your arm. A 1000 years from now, what if we are considered a part of and included in the "pre-scientific era". Imagine that. A thousand years ago they were so sure the world was flat and that they had so much knowledge. "Please explain your use of "valid" here." Valid as in a tautology; if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true. I consider experiences to be valid in forming premises. I respect subjective experiences because they were observers of a rare moment when natural law manifested itself uniquely. It reminds me of something A.N. Whitehead once said, "there is no such thing as the Supernatural, only the unique natural." So personal experience is special and I will not dismiss it. Theories provide a set of principles for explaining phenomena. Theories can be validated. Einstein's theory of relativity was validated nowhere as well as at Almagordo, Nagasaki and Hiroshima. I also will contend that there is no "objective" reality, facts, science. Even the paradigm we take for granted is a reality we all agree to. Everything is subjectively interpreted, it's just some more than others. So experience can provide [u]principles[/u] to help explain phenomena. I'm just saying it's an excellent place to [u]start[/u] to look for truth. Experiences lead to philosophy, philosophy leads to theory, theory leads to science. Experiences can point us in the right direction. The scientific method can be helpful at times, but don't make it do to much. It just may be limited to a 4 dimensional world. [/QUOTE]
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