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<blockquote data-quote="CaryP" data-source="post: 9525" data-attributes="member: 34"><p><strong>Islam</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm going to respond to some of your points Sue, but not all of them.</p><p></p><p>I guess since the Soviet Union being communist made their invasion of Afghanistan wrong, and that the US being a republic (well sorta anyway) makes it right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got rid of the Taliban who killed women in the soccer stadium and disrupted their opium trade, blah, blah, blah. But why are we still there? To protect the puppet govt. we installed. We don't even control most of the country. And the opium trade? Record year for poppy harvest and primo herion is hitting Europe and the US. Guess who helps them with this - the CIA. Helps fund some of the "black bag" ops. "Oh, the CIA and our govt. would never participate in drug trafficing!" Remember Iran Contra? Drug trafficking was part of the deal, which was squashed in the hearings. A few guys got convicted. Some got presidential pardons, and some had their convictions overturned on appeal. A major white wash. I've read accounts of former cops who found out the hard way that the CIA is deep in the middle of the drug trade.</p><p></p><p>The Holy Land I was referring to was in Saudi Arabia, not Jerusalem. The holiest muslim site is Mecca in Saudi Arabia. We had troops in Saudi in big numbers until last year. We still have workers, diplomats and some military there. That is what I was referring to. Now we've got troops in two muslim countries, Afgh. and Iraq. That has been a huge recruiting poster for the jihadists. We are less safe now than before 9/11.</p><p></p><p>I'd be very surprised if your name was on the al Qaeda hit list Sue. It's not personal to you, was my point. It's not personal to US citizens. Have you read the message that OBL sent out about a year ago. He said his enemy was the govts. of the US and the West, not the citizens. He even apologized for any harm and deaths that would happen if the US govt. didn't pack up and leave the muslim part of the world. They could care less what religion we practice here. They just want us out of their part of the world. There are non-muslim people living in most of the muslim world. Saddam's foreign minister (Tariq Aziz) was a Christian. He even visited the Pope before we invaded Iraq, looking for some help from the Pope in cooling off the war drums. If pressed, yes some muslim extremists would probably rather the entire world convert to Islam, but you're talking a very small majority. What major religion wouldn't want the world to convert to it?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sue, with all due respect and affection for you personally, you listen to too much Republican rhetoric and Rush Limbaugh. It ain't about none of the above. People are not being killed over misinterpretations of the Qu'ran, or practising non-muslim religions. They don't hate our way of life and our "freedom", per our Chimpadent Bush. It's global politics at its nastiest, and the US govt. is playing just as dirty as anyone else. Have you read the speech by Michael Ruppert to the Common Wealth Club? I posted a link over in the Criminal Misrule thread. He lays out the chess board pretty good with who the players are, and what the game is all about.</p><p></p><p>To take a line from Pulp Fiction, "You know I respect you and all" but this is a much bigger game than is being portrayed by the media or the govt., and most people haven't the slightest clue as to what's going on.</p><p></p><p>Cary</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CaryP, post: 9525, member: 34"] [b]Islam[/b] I'm going to respond to some of your points Sue, but not all of them. I guess since the Soviet Union being communist made their invasion of Afghanistan wrong, and that the US being a republic (well sorta anyway) makes it right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got rid of the Taliban who killed women in the soccer stadium and disrupted their opium trade, blah, blah, blah. But why are we still there? To protect the puppet govt. we installed. We don't even control most of the country. And the opium trade? Record year for poppy harvest and primo herion is hitting Europe and the US. Guess who helps them with this - the CIA. Helps fund some of the "black bag" ops. "Oh, the CIA and our govt. would never participate in drug trafficing!" Remember Iran Contra? Drug trafficking was part of the deal, which was squashed in the hearings. A few guys got convicted. Some got presidential pardons, and some had their convictions overturned on appeal. A major white wash. I've read accounts of former cops who found out the hard way that the CIA is deep in the middle of the drug trade. The Holy Land I was referring to was in Saudi Arabia, not Jerusalem. The holiest muslim site is Mecca in Saudi Arabia. We had troops in Saudi in big numbers until last year. We still have workers, diplomats and some military there. That is what I was referring to. Now we've got troops in two muslim countries, Afgh. and Iraq. That has been a huge recruiting poster for the jihadists. We are less safe now than before 9/11. I'd be very surprised if your name was on the al Qaeda hit list Sue. It's not personal to you, was my point. It's not personal to US citizens. Have you read the message that OBL sent out about a year ago. He said his enemy was the govts. of the US and the West, not the citizens. He even apologized for any harm and deaths that would happen if the US govt. didn't pack up and leave the muslim part of the world. They could care less what religion we practice here. They just want us out of their part of the world. There are non-muslim people living in most of the muslim world. Saddam's foreign minister (Tariq Aziz) was a Christian. He even visited the Pope before we invaded Iraq, looking for some help from the Pope in cooling off the war drums. If pressed, yes some muslim extremists would probably rather the entire world convert to Islam, but you're talking a very small majority. What major religion wouldn't want the world to convert to it? Sue, with all due respect and affection for you personally, you listen to too much Republican rhetoric and Rush Limbaugh. It ain't about none of the above. People are not being killed over misinterpretations of the Qu'ran, or practising non-muslim religions. They don't hate our way of life and our "freedom", per our Chimpadent Bush. It's global politics at its nastiest, and the US govt. is playing just as dirty as anyone else. Have you read the speech by Michael Ruppert to the Common Wealth Club? I posted a link over in the Criminal Misrule thread. He lays out the chess board pretty good with who the players are, and what the game is all about. To take a line from Pulp Fiction, "You know I respect you and all" but this is a much bigger game than is being portrayed by the media or the govt., and most people haven't the slightest clue as to what's going on. Cary [/QUOTE]
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