Jane Roberts & Seth

If you are already familiar with Jane & Seth, welcome. I looking to start some discussions on different topics contained in the Seth books. Those of you unfamiliar with Jane & Seth, welcome and feel free to join in. The links below will serve as an introduction.
I will be posting more in the days to come.

"Using your free will, you have made physical reality into something quite different than what was intended. You have allowed the ego to become overly developed and specialized. You were here to work out problems and challenges, but you were always to be aware of your own inner reality, and of your nonphysical existence. To a large extent you have lost contact with this. You have focused so strongly upon physical reality that it become the only reality that you know"
Seth

An introduction to Jane Roberts and SETH

http://www.the-office.com/seth/

Seth Speaks - Audio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x6HDgDCse4&feature=related

Units of Consciousness (CU's)

Below are excerpts from Jane Roberts The "Unknown" Reality Volume One.
CU's are in essence a mini black/white hole singularities, points of zero size and I suspect zero mass.*
The comments by Seth below were selected to cover this concept as an overview.

Seth's Comments
CU's are literally in every place and time at once.
In you terms they can move forward or backward in time, but they also possess another kind of interior mobility within time as you know it.
Time not only goes backward and forward, but inward and outward.
These other directions of time give you a universe that seems to be fairly permanent, and yet is also being created.
There is the constant surge of new energy through infinite minute sources.
In certain respects the CU's operate as minute but extremely potent black holes and white holes.
The CU's serve as source points or holes through which energy falls into your system, and in so doing, forms it.
CU's can appear in several places at once, without going through space.
Of course they move faster than light, but that statement itself is meaningless in a way, since the units exist outside as well as inside the framework in which light itself has meaning.
There are millions of them making up a single atom.
All matter is based is based upon these units, as well as all psychological entities.
In your lifetimes, all probable variations of any one event occur.
The existence of probable realities and probable selves in no way denies the validity of your own experience or individuality.
The precious privacy of your existence, and indeed of your universe, is all the more miraculous because its probable reality emerges from an infinite field of probabilities.

Could this idea also serve as a possible explanation for Dark Matter?
See Cosmic Hide and Seek: the Search for the Missing Mass http://www.eclipse.net/~cmmiller/DM/ See WIMPS


*As for a zero mass singularity, spin, gravity, velocity and other characteristics need to be considered.

Ran across the post below. In it are some comments by Seth in 1975. These discuss the probabilities surrounding our time and the near future, as well as the potential changes that may occur. These may sound familiar to some of you.
Charlie

Location: Mallorca, Spain

http://www.breakingopenthehead.com/forum/showthread.php?t=747

Sorry for all this flakey stuff, but I keep seeing correlations...again, this is from The "Unknown" Reality, Volume 2, by Jane Roberts.

These sessions occurred in 1975, so the time period described below (“My readers, or their offspring…”) could conceivably take place in 2012. This “prediction” is fairly nebulous—anyone could make such general statements without being proven wrong, but I´m copying it here for whatever it's worth.

I will admit that when this book touches on topics of reincarnation, future probabilities, non-linear time and interdimensional travel, it has forced me to think in ways I have not before, and to re-evaluate current science within the limits of its physical scope.

Typos are mine, but emphasis where added is the author's...

“You move into new areas of the self all of the time. The species is now entering such a phase, a period in which it will come more into its own.

Christian theology sees the end of the world in certain terms, with a grand God coming to reward the good and to punish the wicked. That system of belief allows for no other probability. Some see the end of the world coming as a great disaster, or envision man finally ruining his planet. Others see periods of peace and advance—and each probability will happen “somewhere.” However, many of my readers, or their offspring, will be involved in a new dimension of selfhood in which consciousness is fully explored and the potentials of the soul uncovered, at least to some extent. Human capabilities will be seen for what they are, and a great new period of development will occur, in which all concepts of selfhood and reality will be literally seen as “primitive superstition.” The species will actually move into a new kind of selfhood.

Theories of probabilities will be seen as practical, workable, psychological facts, giving leeway and freedom to the individual, who will no longer feel at the mercy of external events—but will realize instead that he (or she) is the initiator.

Now, you squeeze the great fruit of your selfhood into a tiny uneasy pulp, unaware of the sweetness of its juices or the variety of its seasons. You look at the outsides of yourselves as if a peach were aware only of its skin. In the reality I foresee, however, people will become familiar with far greater aspects of themselves, and bring these into actualization. They will be in touch with their own decisions as they make them.

If they become ill, they will do so knowing they choose the condition in order to emphasize certain areas of development, or to minimize others. They will be aware of their options, consciously. The great strength and resiliency of the body will be much better understood not because medical science makes spectacular discoveries—though it will—but because the mind’s alliance with the body will be seen more clearly.

In this probability of which I speak, the species will be begin to encounter the great challenge inherent in fulfilling the vast untouched potential of the human body and mind. In that probable reality, to which each of you can belong to some extent, each person will recognize his or her inherent power of action and decision, and feel an individual sense of belonging to the physical world that springs up in response to individual desire and belief.

Seth discusses using meditation and dreams to explore your probable/parallel selves realities and your own probable futures.
Concept of time is very similar to J.Titor's.

"Take any remembered scene from your own past. Experience it as clearly as possible imaginatively, but with the idea of its probable extensions. Sometime, immediately or after a few tries, a particular portion of the scene will become gray or shadowy. It is not a part of the past that you know, but an intersection point where that past served as an offshoot into a series of probabilities that you did not follow.




Instead of a shadowy element, you yourself may feel unsubstantial -- "ghostly." Instead of any of those things, the imagined dialogue -- if there is any -- may suddenly change from the dialogue that you remember; or the entire scene and action may quickly alter. Any of these occurrences can be hints that you are beginning to glimpse the probable variations of the particular scene or action. It is, however, the subjective feeling that is the important clue here, and once you experience it there will be no doubt in your mind.




Some people will have little trouble with the exercise, and others will need to exert persistence before finding any success at all. This method is even more effective if you choose from your past a scene in which a choice was involved that was important to you.




In such a case, begin imaginatively, following through with the other decision or decisions that you might have made. At one point a shadowy effect -- grayness, or other characteristics just mentioned -- will occur. One or several of these may be involved, but again your subjective feeling is the most important clue. Imagination may bring you a clear picture, for example, that may then become fuzzy, and in that case the blurred quality would be your hint of probable action.




Until you have tried the exercise and become fully acquainted with it, you will not understand its effectiveness. You will know, for instance, when the remembered event and imagination intersect with another probability. Whether or not you have any great success, the exercise will begin a neurological reorientation that will be most important if you hope to glimpse realities that are outside of your present neurologically accepted sense-reality.




This exercise is a mental and biological doorway that can expand both your concepts of yourself and reality. There may be instances in which it seems that little progress is made during the exercise itself. During the day, however, having made an important decision in one direction, you may begin to feel the reality of the opposite decision and its ramifications. The exercise may also result in a different kind of a dream, one that is recognized within the dream state, at least, as an introduction to a probable reality. You deal directly with future probabilities in the dream state in any case. For example, in a series of dreams you may try out various solutions to a given problem, and choose one of these. That choice becomes your reality.




According to the intensity of the situation, now, another also desirable solution may be worked out in a probable reality. On an unconscious level you are aware of your probable selves, and they of you. You share the same psychic roots, and your joint yet separate dreams are available to "all of you." This does not mean that you are dreaming someone else’s dream, any more than it means that twins, for example, do. It does mean that your probable selves and you share in a body of symbolism, background, and ability. The multistructured nature of the dream state allows for dream dramas in which probable selves do appear. They may appear as symbolically representing strong characteristics upon which they have focused, though you have ignored them."

Sorry for the last post with small type.
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Seth discusses using meditation and dreams to explore your probable/parallel selves realities and your own probable futures. Concept of time is very similar to J.Titor's.

Unknown Reality Vol. 1 by Jane Roberts
Preliminary Probable Self Exercise

"Take any remembered scene from your own past. Experience it as clearly as possible imaginatively, but with the idea of its probable extensions. Sometime, immediately or after a few tries, a particular portion of the scene will become gray or shadowy. It is not a part of the past that you know, but an intersection point where that past served as an offshoot into a series of probabilities that you did not follow.

Instead of a shadowy element, you yourself may feel unsubstantial -- "ghostly." Instead of any of those things, the imagined dialogue -- if there is any -- may suddenly change from the dialogue that you remember; or the entire scene and action may quickly alter. Any of these occurrences can be hints that you are beginning to glimpse the probable variations of the particular scene or action. It is, however, the subjective feeling that is the important clue here, and once you experience it there will be no doubt in your mind.

Some people will have little trouble with the exercise, and others will need to exert persistence before finding any success at all. This method is even more effective if you choose from your past a scene in which a choice was involved that was important to you.

In such a case, begin imaginatively, following through with the other decision or decisions that you might have made. At one point a shadowy effect -- grayness, or other characteristics just mentioned -- will occur. One or several of these may be involved, but again your subjective feeling is the most important clue. Imagination may bring you a clear picture, for example, that may then become fuzzy, and in that case the blurred quality would be your hint of probable action.

Until you have tried the exercise and become fully acquainted with it, you will not understand its effectiveness. You will know, for instance, when the remembered event and imagination intersect with another probability. Whether or not you have any great success, the exercise will begin a neurological reorientation that will be most important if you hope to glimpse realities that are outside of your present neurologically accepted sense-reality.

This exercise is a mental and biological doorway that can expand both your concepts of yourself and reality. There may be instances in which it seems that little progress is made during the exercise itself. During the day, however, having made an important decision in one direction, you may begin to feel the reality of the opposite decision and its ramifications. The exercise may also result in a different kind of a dream, one that is recognized within the dream state, at least, as an introduction to a probable reality. You deal directly with future probabilities in the dream state in any case. For example, in a series of dreams you may try out various solutions to a given problem, and choose one of these. That choice becomes your reality.

According to the intensity of the situation, now, another also desirable solution may be worked out in a probable reality. On an unconscious level you are aware of your probable selves, and they of you. You share the same psychic roots, and your joint yet separate dreams are available to "all of you." This does not mean that you are dreaming someone else’s dream, any more than it means that twins, for example, do. It does mean that your probable selves and you share in a body of symbolism, background, and ability. The multistructured nature of the dream state allows for dream dramas in which probable selves do appear. They may appear as symbolically representing strong characteristics upon which they have focused, though you have ignored them."

I realize that many of you may not be familiar with Jane or Seth. Books written 30 or more years ago do not often stay on top of the suggested reading lists. So, the website below will give those that are a little curious a quick overview of this subject matter.

http://www.sethlearningcenter.org/

The books Seth Speaks and The Seth Material, are early books that pretty well introduce most of the concepts contained in the later books. One topic is on Life after Death. Here's a few quick quotes on this.

Seth on Life after Death
“(After death) you will find yourself in another form, an image that will appear physical to you to a large degree, as long as you do not try to manipulate within the physical system with it.” (SETH SPEAKS)

“For those of you who are lazy I can offer no hope: Death will not bring you an eternal resting place. You may rest, if this is your wish, for a while. Not only must you use your abilities after death, however; but you must face up to yourself for those that you did not use during your previous existence.” (SETH SPEAKS)

“You will reincarnate whether or not you believe that you will. It is much easier if your theories fit reality; but if they do not, you will not change the nature of reincarnation one iota.” (THE SETH MATERIAL)

“When I tell you that you lived, for example, in 1836, I say this because it makes sense to you now. You live all of your reincarnations at once, but you find this difficult to understand.” (THE SETH MATERIAL)

I take it the books are about metaphysics but, what exactly is metaphysics?

Kurisu, check out Metaphysics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for a broad overview of metaphysics.
My short explanation boils down to understanding the relationship between life, the physical and the spiritual.
In essence, everything is a manifestation of God (definitions vary). There is only one God, but as groups we develop different belief systems that limit and color our understandings of this. There is no separation between the physical and the spiritual.

Metaphysics is in one part looking for the rules God used to construct the reality in which we live. Quantum physics has gone a long way into how things work on the very small and cosmology on the very large. Another part is looking to understand the abilities that God has endowed us with. Many of these gifts are termed paranormal, operating outside of physics as it is presently understood. Some of these include communication between those that are living and those that are not. Jane Roberts and Seth are examples of one way that occurs, commonly called channeling. The Seth books cover many aspects of our experience of living and the afterlife.

Another one called Elias, is a personality presently being channeled. I'm not very familiar with him as yet, but Elias does cover more on the near future. Elias views the 12.21.2012 alignment as being the beginning of a new season of consciousness. The new season is one of spiritual enlightenment, but easier for some than others. Those that already have a belief in God and the spiritual will have a much easier transition than those who do not. Very similar to the end times in Revelations.

I hope I've not lead you too far astray with my comments.
Good luck in your quest.

It's still kinda confusing and, when you say theres no separation between physical and, spiritual is that also the case after death then? I did read the wiki page

Kurisu, to better understand my views, I would suggest "following" me and then check out some of my other posts.

Death has such a negative sound to it. Think of our lives being like a caterpillar. It lives it's life, enters a cocoon and then emerges as a butterfly. The caterpillar is gone, but a new and better life begins. Our lives are where our spirits/souls are focused in 3D physical reality. I do think that the main point of being here is to learn about emotions. When we die, we are released from our 3D/physical focus and emerge into a 4D/spiritual focus (heaven/afterlife). Just because you are no longer primarily focused on the physical, does not mean that you are unable to focus your attention there, if and when you want. That voice that gives you advice, hunches and feelings may well be communication from the non-physical (spirit guides/guardian angles).

When you die, it is like moving to another country. You don't see your living friends as much, but you both still exist, just in different places. Gotta go.. past my bedtime.

I mentioned Elias earlier. I was reading some more on this at the Elias forum: Welcome! and Elias/Exploring the Shift • Discover Self | BlueFlash .
I ran across a portion of his Digest entries that I feel touches more on the questions you had.

Elias (/ɨˈlaɪ.əs/) is the Latin transliteration of the Greek name Ἠλίας, which in turn is the Hellenized form of the Hebrew: אליהו, Eliyahu, meaning "Yahweh is my God".

ELIAS: “This evening, we shall engage in a discussion of consciousness. This will also involve subject matter with reference to The Creating Universal One And Whole, for this is consciousness. Think of your present belief systems, which greatly incorporate your scientific technology, and ask yourselves with your rational, logical intellect how you may arrive at conclusions of an impersonal universe and elements possessing consciousness extending from non-conscious matter.

Within your present belief systems, you accept that a cosmic explosion occurred and created your universe; this being completely random and possessing no consciousness. Your world began as gasses, rock; elements not possessing life, to your estimation; and from this, through your belief systems of evolution, you believe that miraculously, somehow, consciousness was incorporated into matter accidentally. If you inquire to me, I will express to you, this possesses no logic. Matter did not appear ‘cosmically’ within this explosion, and then create consciousness. Consciousness was; is.
I will express to you that in your terms of viewing in time elements – for you are focused within time – we shall use terminology of ‘before,’ which is also now, (smiling) but we shall be indulging of terminology that you may relate to.

Therefore, before the organization and orchestration of your universe as you view it was consciousness. Before essence, as you interpret it, was the whole. You may use any term you are wishing for this action. I do not use the term ‘being’ purposely, for your term of God or All-That-Is or The Creating Universal One And Whole, whatever you choose to call it, is not a being. It is all consciousness. It is an action. It incorporates all.

Within this experience of what you term to be God are many, many elements. Before the incorporation of essence, so to speak, there were elements of consciousness. You may also term these to be ‘units,’ which others have expressed previously.* (2) These elements of consciousness know no limits of time or space. You may think of these as very tiny black holes. (Zero Dimensional/Zero mass Singularity) You may think of them, if you will, in physical terms as elements smaller than your smallest physical particles; but these elements are that which create all physical expression. Everything within every universe within every dimension is created by these elements of consciousness, and they are everything. They are not only the driving force behind matter and action, but are matter and action also; this being the basis of what you term to be God.
*Note: Seth referred to these as Units of Consciousness, but the meaning is the same.

I will also express to you, as I have many times previously, you incorporate all the same as this action of God. You are the same; but it is more. It is more than the sum of all of the dimensions, of all of the universes, of all of the parts; but without you, it would not be either. Therefore, no separation; for you also are intimately a part. You incorporate your own individuality, your own intent, your own desires and focus; but you also incorporate all of it, and it possess, so to speak, all of you. No one element, to the most minute unit of consciousness, is any less than another. Therefore, there is no contradiction in expressing to you that you each, within your individuality, are the center of the universe; for this is true.
Essence is what we will term a portion of this Encompassing Whole, although not a portion! (Smiling) Within your limitations of language, it is impossible to express to you the lack of division and separation; this being why I express to you to conceptualize these concepts that I offer to you, for within your thought patterns within physical focus, it is not possible for you to completely eliminate all separation and be understanding of these concepts. When I express to you that essence incorporates all systems, that all systems are open and available to you, this is what is incorporated by consciousness. You possess this. Every element of consciousness possesses all elements of the whole.

Each element chooses to manifest according to its desire and function. A flower manifests to the fullest of its ability. The units of consciousness that make up this flower are the same as that which you possess also. The flower’s intent and function is to be a flower. Your intent and function is to incorporate intellect and intuition, to be directing of your universe as you have created it. Therefore, make no mistake; you direct all of your physical manifestation in every area. We have discussed this many times within previous sessions. You create your individual reality, and collectively you create the reality en masse. Therefore, you are the creators of all that you perceive ... and far beyond.

... (Vic’s note: Elias departs at 8:27 PM., and pops back in at 9:07 PM. We were sitting outside discussing the concepts of consciousness and essence, and Mary announced “out of the blue" that we better go back inside if we wanted the pop-in on tape. We went inside and Elias arrived immediately, before Mary even had a chance to sit down. Present were Mary, Vicki, Ron, and Jim; the others had left earlier.)

ELIAS: My chair, Holmes! (Ron gets the rocking chair) One point for Michael [Mary] for acknowledging impressions! He will be excited at his acquiring of an extra point! (Laughter) I have used as an example your time frame only for your understanding, for there is no time incorporation. Also, essence did not create consciousness. Consciousness is. Consciousness creates all.

I have expressed the usage of a time frame for your perception in expressing consciousness as original, and essence springing from consciousness. In actuality, there is no time frame. All is simultaneous. All is in a state of becoming, as is also The Creating Universal One And Whole, which is not completed, which is ongoing, which is present always, now.

JIM: Is The Creating Universal One And Whole consciousness?

ELIAS: And more.

JIM: And more. And more being?

ELIAS: I have expressed that this is not a ‘being.’ You create your images of god in your likeness, for this is what you understand. This is what you may attach to. Therefore, you interpret god as a being, for you interpret yourselves as a being. Therefore, you contain your perception of god. As I have expressed previously, a very small word for a very small concept! There are no bounds.

VICKI: So does that mean we should not perceive ourselves as a being either?

ELIAS: It would not be possible for you to perceive yourselves in any other fashion; for within your perception, which is your reality, you are a being. Within all of your focuses, you are a being. Within essence, you are not. God is an experience. It is a movement; an action; all encompassing. All consciousness springs from it. (Pause)

Interesting. (Grinning) I allow for the opportunity for questions, and I receive not a one. I allow for interaction, I receive many. This subject will be ongoing. I have only introduced this to you this evening quite briefly. It will be difficult to be expressing of this subject to you and it will incorporate distortion, for this is unavoidable within your language and understanding, for you may not perceive of the immensity of the experience of which I speak. It is automatic to you to be viewing an immense being which you express is beyond your comprehension, but you attach a comprehension to this immense being! This ‘being’ does not exist! What exists is the totality of experience.

VICKI: And all consciousness springs from that?

ELIAS: Correct.