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<blockquote data-quote="Harte" data-source="post: 23426" data-attributes="member: 443"><p><strong>Re: [Combined] minuteman project and Waco type events thread</strong></p><p></p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Paul J. Lyon\")</div></p><p> </p><p>PJ,</p><p> </p><p>I've read other posts of your's (I think) where you say something similar to this.</p><p> </p><p>While I understand your meaning here and where you are coming from, I want to say that I think making this blanket statement is like enforcing an ex post facto law. </p><p>Not all of the early Europeans that arrived here had to murder natives to gain territory. Some settlements were in areas purchased or recieved as gifts from natives. Some native tribes had no tribal concept of land possesion (I'm not talking about ownership, no natives considered land ownership to be legitimate). Some of what today makes up the USA is legitimately claimed.</p><p>That being said, I also must say that indeed, most of it is not legitimately claimed from the native point of view. </p><p>However, much of the USA was purchased from other countries or taken as spoils of war from other countries. These other countries, had they not sold or lost wars, would today posses these lands, the natives would not.</p><p> </p><p>Harte</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harte, post: 23426, member: 443"] [b]Re: [Combined] minuteman project and Waco type events thread[/b] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Paul J. Lyon\")</div> PJ, I've read other posts of your's (I think) where you say something similar to this. While I understand your meaning here and where you are coming from, I want to say that I think making this blanket statement is like enforcing an ex post facto law. Not all of the early Europeans that arrived here had to murder natives to gain territory. Some settlements were in areas purchased or recieved as gifts from natives. Some native tribes had no tribal concept of land possesion (I'm not talking about ownership, no natives considered land ownership to be legitimate). Some of what today makes up the USA is legitimately claimed. That being said, I also must say that indeed, most of it is not legitimately claimed from the native point of view. However, much of the USA was purchased from other countries or taken as spoils of war from other countries. These other countries, had they not sold or lost wars, would today posses these lands, the natives would not. Harte [/QUOTE]
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