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John Titor's Legacy
My first thread. Titor and Israel.
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<blockquote data-quote="temporal recon" data-source="post: 63231" data-attributes="member: 2826"><p>You ask a very good question, Sliders. Actually, you have several questions in there, some that is typical of the conventional wisdom surrounding the Titor story, which leads to erroneous conclusions. No harm no foul.</p><p> </p><p>For example: if we are to believe that John did, in fact, travel back to 1975, it was not his <em>father's</em> father whom he visited; it was his <em>mother's</em> father. This is new information and I document how this information was discovered in my small book project.</p><p> </p><p>But you bring up a good point: wouldn't the grandfather already have warned his daughters of the coming devastation? And not just Y2K, but what about the nuclear strike? CJD? Loss of freedoms? This also would likely be true (one can speculate that he would at any rate). It is explained in Conviction of a Time Traveller why he <em>couldn't warn his daughters.</em></p><p> </p><p>Now, another question you have deals with MWI (Multiple World Interpretation). "...if indeed it was our same timeline..."</p><p>First, if we allow the conceit that John was truthful in his assertion that MWI is an accurate description of the universe (and there is no countervailing evidence otherwise and much in support of such a description), then Titor did <em>not</em> travel or land on any of the world lines he previously visited. They were new world lines every time. So how can mission planners plan???</p><p> </p><p>Remember, Titor and other time travellers plan their missions so as to minimize divergence (such as it is). How do we know this? The answer to this question comes thusly: How could mission planners (the ones who sent Titor and his team in the first place) possibly plan a mission with any hope of success if they couldn't guarantee that the target of his mission even <em>existed</em> on the world line they were to visit? It is <em>essential</em> to minimize divergence as small as possible. Yes, the number 2.5% is bandied about as the amount of "difference" or divergence between John's world line and our own, but this is now in doubt, the number is likely <em>much smaller</em>. This is an example of one of the many "mistruths" that Titor told us.</p><p> </p><p>But back to your question:</p><p>We "know" that the universes/ world lines do not interact, correct? So any change on one world line <u><em>does not affect</em></u> any other world line. So how is it possible that John could, travelling back to 1975 (if his story is to be believed), possibly fix his <u>own</u> world line if the world lines do not interact? How could John's trip possibly make any difference at all?</p><p> </p><p>Let me answer your question by asking you a question:</p><p> </p><p><em>How many Johns travelled back in time?</em></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>As Ever</p><p>Temporal Recon</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="temporal recon, post: 63231, member: 2826"] You ask a very good question, Sliders. Actually, you have several questions in there, some that is typical of the conventional wisdom surrounding the Titor story, which leads to erroneous conclusions. No harm no foul. For example: if we are to believe that John did, in fact, travel back to 1975, it was not his [I]father's[/I] father whom he visited; it was his [I]mother's[/I] father. This is new information and I document how this information was discovered in my small book project. But you bring up a good point: wouldn't the grandfather already have warned his daughters of the coming devastation? And not just Y2K, but what about the nuclear strike? CJD? Loss of freedoms? This also would likely be true (one can speculate that he would at any rate). It is explained in Conviction of a Time Traveller why he [I]couldn't warn his daughters.[/I] Now, another question you have deals with MWI (Multiple World Interpretation). "...if indeed it was our same timeline..." First, if we allow the conceit that John was truthful in his assertion that MWI is an accurate description of the universe (and there is no countervailing evidence otherwise and much in support of such a description), then Titor did [I]not[/I] travel or land on any of the world lines he previously visited. They were new world lines every time. So how can mission planners plan??? Remember, Titor and other time travellers plan their missions so as to minimize divergence (such as it is). How do we know this? The answer to this question comes thusly: How could mission planners (the ones who sent Titor and his team in the first place) possibly plan a mission with any hope of success if they couldn't guarantee that the target of his mission even [I]existed[/I] on the world line they were to visit? It is [I]essential[/I] to minimize divergence as small as possible. Yes, the number 2.5% is bandied about as the amount of "difference" or divergence between John's world line and our own, but this is now in doubt, the number is likely [I]much smaller[/I]. This is an example of one of the many "mistruths" that Titor told us. But back to your question: We "know" that the universes/ world lines do not interact, correct? So any change on one world line [U][I]does not affect[/I][/U] any other world line. So how is it possible that John could, travelling back to 1975 (if his story is to be believed), possibly fix his [U]own[/U] world line if the world lines do not interact? How could John's trip possibly make any difference at all? Let me answer your question by asking you a question: [I]How many Johns travelled back in time?[/I] As Ever Temporal Recon [/QUOTE]
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