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<blockquote data-quote="tomrat" data-source="post: 71399" data-attributes="member: 4042"><p>hi there...first of all im glad somebody is noticing this at all...but actually im not aware of such an extensive use of this tactic by hitler...any sources?</p><p> </p><p>this type of spying was very common and overwhelming in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germany" target="_blank">German Democratic Republic</a> or GDR and was lead by the the infamous Ministerium für Staatssicherheit...short STASI ( STaatsSIcherheit )</p><p>here are some facts (from the suprisingly informativ english wikipedia article) :</p><p> </p><p>The Stasi was founded on 8 February 1950</p><p> </p><p>The Ministry for State Security (German: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit, MfS), commonly known as the Stasi (IPA: [ˈʃtɑːziː]) (abbreviation German: Staatssicherheit, literally State Security), was the official state security service of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germany" target="_blank">German Democratic Republic</a> or GDR, colloquially known as East Germany. It has been described as one of the most effective and repressive intelligence and secret police agencies in the world.</p><p>The Ministry for State Security also included the following entities: THE NOTATIONS IN YELLOW ARE MY PERSONAL VIEW</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Main Administration for Reconnaissance: focused its efforts primarily upon West Germany and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, but it also operated East German intelligence in all foreign countries. <span style="color: #ffff00">( looks like the actual CIA )</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Main Coordinating Administration of the Ministry for State Security: coordinated its work with Soviet intelligence agencies. <span style="color: #ffff00">( the intelligence agencies of the USA, UK, CANADA and AUSTRALIA are coordinated and even excepted from spying on each other)</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Main Department for Communications Security and Personnel Protection: provided personal security for the national leadership and maintained and operated an internal secure communications system for the government. <span style="color: #ffff00">( sounds like the NSA to me )</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Administration for Security of Heavy Industry and Research and Main Administration for Security of the Economy: protection against sabotage or espionage.<span style="color: #ffff00"> ( its hard to believe that there isnt a counter part of this in the us goverment but it could be)</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Main Administration for Struggle Against Suspicious Persons was charged with the surveillance of foreigners — particularly from the West — legally traveling or residing within the country. This included the diplomatic community, tourists, and official guests.<span style="color: #ffff00"> ( recent discoveries show exactly this behaviour )</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Division of Garbage Analysis: was responsible for analyzing garbage for any suspect western foods and/or materials. <span style="color: #ffff00">( isnt this a common CIA tactic as well? )</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Administration 12 was responsible for the surveillance of mail and telephone communications. <span style="color: #ffff00">( old school PRISM&CO )</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Administration 2000 was responsible for the reliability of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_People%27s_Army" target="_blank">National People's Army (NVA)</a> personnel. Admin 2000 operated a secret, unofficial network of informants within the NVA. <span style="color: #ffff00">( this in my opinion is exactly what your thread is all about )</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Penal System: to facilitate its mission of enforcing the political security of East Germany, the Stasi operated its own penal system, distinct from that of the Ministry of the Interior. This system comprised prison camps for political, as opposed to criminal, offenders. <span style="color: #ffff00">( well of course i have to mention guantanamo but there are things like top secret courts and other hidden foreign prisons the US uses )</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Dzerzhinsky_Guards_Regiment" target="_blank">Felix Dzerzhinsky Guards Regiment</a>: the armed force at disposal of the ministry, named for the founder of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheka" target="_blank">Cheka</a>, the Bolshevik secret police. The members of this regiment, who served at least three years, were responsible for protecting high government and party buildings and personnel. The regiment was composed of six motorized rifle battalions, one artillery battalion, and one training battalion. Its equipment included <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSZH-IV" target="_blank">PSZH-IV</a> armored personnel carriers, 120 mm mortars, 85 mm and 100 mm antitank guns, ZU-23 antiaircraft guns, and helicopters. A Swiss source reported in 1986 that the troops of the Ministry of State Security also had commando units similar to the Soviet Union's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spetsnaz" target="_blank">Spetsnaz</a> forces. These East German units were said to wear the uniform of the airborne troops, although with the violet collar patch of the Ministry for State Security rather than the orange one of paratroopers. They also wore the sleeve stripe of the Felix Dzerzhinsky Guards Regiment. <span style="color: #ffff00">( i assume this exists in a similar form in the US )</span></li> </ul><p>the Stasi employed a total of 274,000 people in an effort to root out the class enemy.(and this is the number with proof</p><p>and actual paper trail)....so figure how high the real number is...the wiki says 500 000 to 2 million.</p><p>actually everybody was spying on each other from childrens to high ranking officers in the military. you always had to fear that somebody is spying on you...well you could say they ALWAYS spied on you...no matter what</p><p>this was going on until 1989!</p><p>there was a agency formed after the german reunion in 1989 that deals with all those files and everybody can have access on their own file if there is one left!</p><p>it is incredible what they have done and its sad to see a country like the usa trying to achieve this again and even pull other countries into it</p><p>yeah i know everything is legaly achieved by the last couple of american presidents but you must be out of your mind not seeing the probaganda and media brainwash they do to achieve it...even hitler was elected by the people due his MISINFORMATION POLITICS AND LIES HE TOLD THE PEOPLE (sound familiar?) and guess what...this son of a bitch wasnt even german</p><p>i dont want to discredit your post samstwitch...i just felt that this comparison is way more accurate and even scarier if you think about it</p><p>some of this is copied from the WIKI article <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi" target="_blank">Stasi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a></p><p>greets tomrat</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tomrat, post: 71399, member: 4042"] hi there...first of all im glad somebody is noticing this at all...but actually im not aware of such an extensive use of this tactic by hitler...any sources? this type of spying was very common and overwhelming in the [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germany']German Democratic Republic[/URL] or GDR and was lead by the the infamous Ministerium für Staatssicherheit...short STASI ( STaatsSIcherheit ) here are some facts (from the suprisingly informativ english wikipedia article) : The Stasi was founded on 8 February 1950 The Ministry for State Security (German: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit, MfS), commonly known as the Stasi (IPA: [ˈʃtɑːziː]) (abbreviation German: Staatssicherheit, literally State Security), was the official state security service of the [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germany']German Democratic Republic[/URL] or GDR, colloquially known as East Germany. It has been described as one of the most effective and repressive intelligence and secret police agencies in the world. The Ministry for State Security also included the following entities: THE NOTATIONS IN YELLOW ARE MY PERSONAL VIEW [LIST] [*]Main Administration for Reconnaissance: focused its efforts primarily upon West Germany and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, but it also operated East German intelligence in all foreign countries. [COLOR=#ffff00]( looks like the actual CIA )[/COLOR] [*]Main Coordinating Administration of the Ministry for State Security: coordinated its work with Soviet intelligence agencies. [COLOR=#ffff00]( the intelligence agencies of the USA, UK, CANADA and AUSTRALIA are coordinated and even excepted from spying on each other)[/COLOR] [*]Main Department for Communications Security and Personnel Protection: provided personal security for the national leadership and maintained and operated an internal secure communications system for the government. [COLOR=#ffff00]( sounds like the NSA to me )[/COLOR] [*]Administration for Security of Heavy Industry and Research and Main Administration for Security of the Economy: protection against sabotage or espionage.[COLOR=#ffff00] ( its hard to believe that there isnt a counter part of this in the us goverment but it could be)[/COLOR] [*]Main Administration for Struggle Against Suspicious Persons was charged with the surveillance of foreigners — particularly from the West — legally traveling or residing within the country. This included the diplomatic community, tourists, and official guests.[COLOR=#ffff00] ( recent discoveries show exactly this behaviour )[/COLOR] [*]Division of Garbage Analysis: was responsible for analyzing garbage for any suspect western foods and/or materials. [COLOR=#ffff00]( isnt this a common CIA tactic as well? )[/COLOR] [*]Administration 12 was responsible for the surveillance of mail and telephone communications. [COLOR=#ffff00]( old school PRISM&CO )[/COLOR] [*]Administration 2000 was responsible for the reliability of [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_People%27s_Army']National People's Army (NVA)[/URL] personnel. Admin 2000 operated a secret, unofficial network of informants within the NVA. [COLOR=#ffff00]( this in my opinion is exactly what your thread is all about )[/COLOR] [*]Penal System: to facilitate its mission of enforcing the political security of East Germany, the Stasi operated its own penal system, distinct from that of the Ministry of the Interior. This system comprised prison camps for political, as opposed to criminal, offenders. [COLOR=#ffff00]( well of course i have to mention guantanamo but there are things like top secret courts and other hidden foreign prisons the US uses )[/COLOR] [*][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Dzerzhinsky_Guards_Regiment']Felix Dzerzhinsky Guards Regiment[/URL]: the armed force at disposal of the ministry, named for the founder of the [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheka']Cheka[/URL], the Bolshevik secret police. The members of this regiment, who served at least three years, were responsible for protecting high government and party buildings and personnel. The regiment was composed of six motorized rifle battalions, one artillery battalion, and one training battalion. Its equipment included [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSZH-IV']PSZH-IV[/URL] armored personnel carriers, 120 mm mortars, 85 mm and 100 mm antitank guns, ZU-23 antiaircraft guns, and helicopters. A Swiss source reported in 1986 that the troops of the Ministry of State Security also had commando units similar to the Soviet Union's [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spetsnaz']Spetsnaz[/URL] forces. These East German units were said to wear the uniform of the airborne troops, although with the violet collar patch of the Ministry for State Security rather than the orange one of paratroopers. They also wore the sleeve stripe of the Felix Dzerzhinsky Guards Regiment. [COLOR=#ffff00]( i assume this exists in a similar form in the US )[/COLOR] [/LIST] the Stasi employed a total of 274,000 people in an effort to root out the class enemy.(and this is the number with proof and actual paper trail)....so figure how high the real number is...the wiki says 500 000 to 2 million. actually everybody was spying on each other from childrens to high ranking officers in the military. you always had to fear that somebody is spying on you...well you could say they ALWAYS spied on you...no matter what this was going on until 1989! there was a agency formed after the german reunion in 1989 that deals with all those files and everybody can have access on their own file if there is one left! it is incredible what they have done and its sad to see a country like the usa trying to achieve this again and even pull other countries into it yeah i know everything is legaly achieved by the last couple of american presidents but you must be out of your mind not seeing the probaganda and media brainwash they do to achieve it...even hitler was elected by the people due his MISINFORMATION POLITICS AND LIES HE TOLD THE PEOPLE (sound familiar?) and guess what...this son of a bitch wasnt even german i dont want to discredit your post samstwitch...i just felt that this comparison is way more accurate and even scarier if you think about it some of this is copied from the WIKI article [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi']Stasi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL] greets tomrat [/QUOTE]
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