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<blockquote data-quote="Justinian" data-source="post: 66547" data-attributes="member: 923"><p>Yes I agree with you on most(especially the welfare thing. BIG BIG pet peeve of mine. I want to pass a law to make them come wash my car and mow my grass for free).. but I still see the laws as being the biggest hold up.</p><p> </p><p>Say you have 2 countries that are going to be part of this 1 gov't area. Country A has laws that say you need to be 13 yrs old to be married, but Country B says statutory rape is anyone over 18 having intercourse with anyone under 18. Where do you compromise. Cause what's generally agreed is not the same in both places.</p><p> </p><p>The big ones, you will find easy to get agreement on with MOST but not all countries. There literally are countries where if you are convicted of crimes that you can have your wife do your time for you either in jail or in a whore house. Now to them.. why on earth would they agree to make new laws so that they'd now be killed?</p><p> </p><p>Let's say there's only 1 holdout in this instance that doesnt want to form this new gov't because of these law changes. Do we go to war and force them? Or do we isolate them like we do NK and Iran? Or even better.. do we compromise and give them something in return?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>The other possibility is that with the change of religion to only have one that everyone agrees on.. it might change views on morals.</p><p> </p><p>We had this discussion at work as far as who decided originally what was morally right and wrong. Of course the religious people say it was God and he passed down to old dude on the stone tablets. BUT, historically outside of the bible, where did they come from? Cause the Aztecs and the Maya were killing the shit outta some people on this half of the world while Jesus and Buddha were in the other half of the world preaching not to kill. So when we came to the new world and conquered all the "primitives" WE (Europeans) decided what was morally right and wrong. So in forming a new government, and making the claim that religion causes too many problems and one consensus religion needs to be formed.. from what standpoint do we base our morals of this new government?</p><p> </p><p>Do we tell all the Arabs that they can now only have 1 wife? Do we seperate them and give them special status to marry as much as they want while the rest of us are forbidden to marry more than 1 woman? Or the Nepalese tradition that allows the opposite. For one woman to marry multiple men.</p><p> </p><p>I'm starting to wonder if these things aren't why people started dividing up land to begin with. Bargaining is too much of a headache so they just said screw it and divided up the land and let the crazies have their own way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Justinian, post: 66547, member: 923"] Yes I agree with you on most(especially the welfare thing. BIG BIG pet peeve of mine. I want to pass a law to make them come wash my car and mow my grass for free).. but I still see the laws as being the biggest hold up. Say you have 2 countries that are going to be part of this 1 gov't area. Country A has laws that say you need to be 13 yrs old to be married, but Country B says statutory rape is anyone over 18 having intercourse with anyone under 18. Where do you compromise. Cause what's generally agreed is not the same in both places. The big ones, you will find easy to get agreement on with MOST but not all countries. There literally are countries where if you are convicted of crimes that you can have your wife do your time for you either in jail or in a whore house. Now to them.. why on earth would they agree to make new laws so that they'd now be killed? Let's say there's only 1 holdout in this instance that doesnt want to form this new gov't because of these law changes. Do we go to war and force them? Or do we isolate them like we do NK and Iran? Or even better.. do we compromise and give them something in return? The other possibility is that with the change of religion to only have one that everyone agrees on.. it might change views on morals. We had this discussion at work as far as who decided originally what was morally right and wrong. Of course the religious people say it was God and he passed down to old dude on the stone tablets. BUT, historically outside of the bible, where did they come from? Cause the Aztecs and the Maya were killing the shit outta some people on this half of the world while Jesus and Buddha were in the other half of the world preaching not to kill. So when we came to the new world and conquered all the "primitives" WE (Europeans) decided what was morally right and wrong. So in forming a new government, and making the claim that religion causes too many problems and one consensus religion needs to be formed.. from what standpoint do we base our morals of this new government? Do we tell all the Arabs that they can now only have 1 wife? Do we seperate them and give them special status to marry as much as they want while the rest of us are forbidden to marry more than 1 woman? Or the Nepalese tradition that allows the opposite. For one woman to marry multiple men. I'm starting to wonder if these things aren't why people started dividing up land to begin with. Bargaining is too much of a headache so they just said screw it and divided up the land and let the crazies have their own way. [/QUOTE]
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