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<blockquote data-quote="Padraic" data-source="post: 7445" data-attributes="member: 96"><p><strong>Padraic</strong></p><p></p><p>That is a most thorough and much appreciated answer. Perhaps I should have worded my question a bit better to start with. What I was asking was not really how you would post but whether or not you would even bother to in the first place. If you had such an experience, would you subject yourself to the scrutiny? I can see that there is some measure of proof for any story, but it still comes down to a certain measure of faith as well. We believe that some ancient fellows existed based on the evidence of writings from that period or a period shortly after, while we have no way of knowing empirically if those writings are true accounts or works of fiction that were not identified as such. We evaluate the documents, see if they agree after a fashion with other evidence from archaelogy, and then we pass a judgment whether or not we believe the account. There is a certain element of faith present there, with the amount of faith required proportional to the amount and quality of the evidence present. There are characters in the Bible who for years were not believed to be mentioned anywhere else in the historical record, and whose existence was doubted somewhat, who were later "discovered" in other sources, thus lending more evidence to the account and decreasing the amount of faith required by the reader to believe said person actually walked the earth in some bygone day. Some of the more "miraculous" accounts require more faith on the part of the reader for their not being documented elsewhere outside of scripture.</p><p></p><p>I venture to say that a similar test applies to your alleged tt. Someone coming intentionally from a future time would have an easier time proving his story, since he could arrive armed with some precise predictions, some items that do not exist yet in our time, and other sorts of evidences that would be difficult to disprove. Someone from the past, on the other hand, has a more daunting task ahead of him. People will and have brought up the objection that anyone could look up information about a past time and weave a convincing tale. Any items the person brings with him can be tendered as physical proof, but they will not have an appearance of having aged greatly, thus the skeptic can offer the claim that said item could have been recently manufactured. I had only the clothes on my back, but those same clothing items are still being made by folks who provide clothing to re-enactor groups and the like. Someone could easily claim that I could have bought those items from one of those groups. If the story is completely accurate historically, people will claim those details could have been looked up, while if it differs they will claim the story is false because some details were wrong. Then again, the multiple timeline people will only claim that minor discrepancies in details only offer more proof for their theory. I have modern dental records that show an incredible amount of tooth decay that had to be repaired after I arrived here. I had fillings put in over half my teeth and had to have one tooth extracted. I am still being treated for gum disease from large buildup of plaque under the gums, causing some separation of the gum from the tooth. (I waited a while before seeing a dentist.) I do not know how much proof that would constitute, because no doubt some modern people have neglected their dental care to the same degree and have similar problems. </p><p></p><p>I guess what I am saying is that after the story is told and the "evidence" offered, it comes down to faith and a decision on the part of the readers of the story to choose whether or not to believe it and how to treat the teller of the story. As I have stated many times already, I have been treated as well by those who do not believe me as I have by those who do believe me. That in itself speaks highly of you all here. I have endeavored to be polite here in the belief that I will be treated with the same respect I offer others, and so far that has proven true. I waited years to tell my story, out of a fear of the way I would be treated, but my experience here has not been unpleasant. I thank you all for that.</p><p></p><p>Respectfully,</p><p></p><p>Padraic</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Padraic, post: 7445, member: 96"] [b]Padraic[/b] That is a most thorough and much appreciated answer. Perhaps I should have worded my question a bit better to start with. What I was asking was not really how you would post but whether or not you would even bother to in the first place. If you had such an experience, would you subject yourself to the scrutiny? I can see that there is some measure of proof for any story, but it still comes down to a certain measure of faith as well. We believe that some ancient fellows existed based on the evidence of writings from that period or a period shortly after, while we have no way of knowing empirically if those writings are true accounts or works of fiction that were not identified as such. We evaluate the documents, see if they agree after a fashion with other evidence from archaelogy, and then we pass a judgment whether or not we believe the account. There is a certain element of faith present there, with the amount of faith required proportional to the amount and quality of the evidence present. There are characters in the Bible who for years were not believed to be mentioned anywhere else in the historical record, and whose existence was doubted somewhat, who were later "discovered" in other sources, thus lending more evidence to the account and decreasing the amount of faith required by the reader to believe said person actually walked the earth in some bygone day. Some of the more "miraculous" accounts require more faith on the part of the reader for their not being documented elsewhere outside of scripture. I venture to say that a similar test applies to your alleged tt. Someone coming intentionally from a future time would have an easier time proving his story, since he could arrive armed with some precise predictions, some items that do not exist yet in our time, and other sorts of evidences that would be difficult to disprove. Someone from the past, on the other hand, has a more daunting task ahead of him. People will and have brought up the objection that anyone could look up information about a past time and weave a convincing tale. Any items the person brings with him can be tendered as physical proof, but they will not have an appearance of having aged greatly, thus the skeptic can offer the claim that said item could have been recently manufactured. I had only the clothes on my back, but those same clothing items are still being made by folks who provide clothing to re-enactor groups and the like. Someone could easily claim that I could have bought those items from one of those groups. If the story is completely accurate historically, people will claim those details could have been looked up, while if it differs they will claim the story is false because some details were wrong. Then again, the multiple timeline people will only claim that minor discrepancies in details only offer more proof for their theory. I have modern dental records that show an incredible amount of tooth decay that had to be repaired after I arrived here. I had fillings put in over half my teeth and had to have one tooth extracted. I am still being treated for gum disease from large buildup of plaque under the gums, causing some separation of the gum from the tooth. (I waited a while before seeing a dentist.) I do not know how much proof that would constitute, because no doubt some modern people have neglected their dental care to the same degree and have similar problems. I guess what I am saying is that after the story is told and the "evidence" offered, it comes down to faith and a decision on the part of the readers of the story to choose whether or not to believe it and how to treat the teller of the story. As I have stated many times already, I have been treated as well by those who do not believe me as I have by those who do believe me. That in itself speaks highly of you all here. I have endeavored to be polite here in the belief that I will be treated with the same respect I offer others, and so far that has proven true. I waited years to tell my story, out of a fear of the way I would be treated, but my experience here has not been unpleasant. I thank you all for that. Respectfully, Padraic [/QUOTE]
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