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<blockquote data-quote="Carl Miller" data-source="post: 156383" data-attributes="member: 4986"><p>Robert A Monroe has been a pioneer in exploring out-of-thebody</p><p></p><p></p><p>experiences, and Journeys OUT OF THE BODY, his first</p><p></p><p></p><p>book, has become the undisputed classic in the field. He had</p><p></p><p>a long and distinguished career in the broadcasting</p><p></p><p>industry, as a writer, director of programs, and creator and</p><p></p><p>producer of some four hundred radio and TV network programs,</p><p></p><p>and eventually as owner and operator of a radio network and</p><p></p><p>cable TV system in Virginia. He is the founder and executive</p><p></p><p>director of the Monroe Institute, interna. tionally known</p><p></p><p>for its work on the effects of sound wave forms on human.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>From "Journeys Out of the Body"-</p><p></p><p>Chapter 15. Sexuality in the Second State</p><p></p><p></p><p>..."</p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Throughout the entire experimentation, evidence began to mount of a</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>factor most vital to the Second State. Yet in all the esoteric</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>literature of the underground, there is no mention of this, not so much</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>as one word of consideration or explanation. This factor is sexuality</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>and the physical sex drive. If the Second State data is contemplated as</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>fact, this business of sex among humans has somehow become thoroughly</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>confused, distorted, and badly misunderstood..."</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>(long sort of drawn out lengthy comment...) See free pdf- Journeys out of the Body, by Robert Monroe.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>9/16/59 (Sexual experience on the etheric domain)- by Robert Monroe</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Upon deciding to "see" I became aware of my position in the room. The</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>office was dimly lit and I was above the table and some eight feet away</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>from the couch, where I could make out my physical body half-visible in</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>the dark. Then, near the door, I saw a form, certainly humanoid, moving</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>toward me. Immediately, I "knew" that this person was female. I was</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>still cautious, but I was fighting the sex urge, which was rising in</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>spite of any self-will.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>"I am a woman." It seemed to be a low, woman's voice.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>I said that I knew she was, trying to hold back. The sexual overtones in</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>her voice were unmistakable. She came even closer.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>My mind translated that she was indeed a woman, and the epitome of</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>sexual attractiveness. I backed away, torn by desire and the fear of</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>what might happen if I actually did have a sexual relationship while in</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>the Second Body, and the possible "disloyalty" to my wife. Finally, my</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>fear of possible unknown consequences overcame the desire, and I hastily</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>dived back into the physical body, reassociated, and sat up. I looked</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>around. The room was empty. The moment I thought about the event, my</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>physical body reacted and became stimulated. I went outside for a walk</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>before returning to make these notes. Maybe I am a coward!</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>It took a number of these meetings at varying levels of intensity before</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>I began to assess the "wrong" of it that held me back. There seemed to</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>be a direct relationship between what I interpreted as the sexual drive</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>and this "force" that permitted me to disassociate from the physical</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>body. Was it a redirection of this basic drive that I actually felt as</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>"vibrations?" Or was it the other way around? Was the sexual drive a</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>physical and emotional manifestation of the force?</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Perhaps there is a way to examine this under very strictly controlled</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>conditions-that is, if there is a society mature enough to undertake the</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>experiments. Certainly ours is not. All that can be done here is to</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>attempt to bring certain points under scrutiny. Recently, in scientific</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>studies of dreams and sleep, it was noted that during REM (Rapid Eye</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Movement) sleep, male subjects evidenced a penile erection. This</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>occurred irrespective of the dream content. A non-sexual dream still</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>produced the effect. This is about as far as science has experimented to</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>date. It is mentioned here only because the most consistent physical</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>reaction noted when returning from the Second State is a penile</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>erection. It is a clue, no more.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Whether through redirection or purification, Second State sexuality is</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>not the same as its physical echo, even once the habits and</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>preconceptions of the latter are discarded. The barriers created and</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>continually reinforced by social conditioning are but half of it. The</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>physical-mechanical elements themselves no longer seem to apply. For a</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>long time, the mind will continue to translate the attraction-actionreaction</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>sequence as a similar function occurring non-physically. As</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>perception and control sharpen, the differences become more noticeable.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>First and most obvious, there is no evidence of the male-female</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>interpenetration. Attempts to express the need in such a functional</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>manner become pathetic in retrospect. One discovers in frustration that</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>it just doesn't happen that way in the Second State. Next, sensuality</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>produced by the physical form of the sex counterpart is entirely absent.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>There is no distinct pattern of physical shape, either visually or by</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>touch.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>How, then? What then? The analogy of the opposite magnetic poles still</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>holds. There is an acute awareness of "difference," which is like</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>radiation (as it may well be) from the sun, or a fire as felt by one</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>shivering with cold. It is dynamically attractive and needed. This</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>attraction varies in intensity with the individual. (Define what makes</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>one person more sexually attractive than another; it is more than</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>physical proportions.) It can be like magnetic lines of flux.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>The "act" itself is not an act at all, but an immobile, rigid state of</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>shock where the two truly intermingle, not just at a surface level and</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>at one or two specific body parts, but in full dimension, atom for atom,</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>throughout the entire Second Body. There is a short, sustained electron</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>(?) flow one to another. The moment reaches unbearable ecstasy, and then</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>tranquillity, equalization, and it is over.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Why this takes place, why it is needed, I do not know, any more than the</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>north pole of a magnet understands its "need" for the south pole of</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>another magnet. Unlike the magnet, however, we can perceive objectively</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>and ask "why." One fact is certain: as in the physical state, the act is</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>equally needed in the Second. In some part of Locale II, it is as or......</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Carl Miller, post: 156383, member: 4986"] Robert A Monroe has been a pioneer in exploring out-of-thebody experiences, and Journeys OUT OF THE BODY, his first book, has become the undisputed classic in the field. He had a long and distinguished career in the broadcasting industry, as a writer, director of programs, and creator and producer of some four hundred radio and TV network programs, and eventually as owner and operator of a radio network and cable TV system in Virginia. He is the founder and executive director of the Monroe Institute, interna. tionally known for its work on the effects of sound wave forms on human. From "Journeys Out of the Body"- Chapter 15. Sexuality in the Second State ..." [I] Throughout the entire experimentation, evidence began to mount of a factor most vital to the Second State. Yet in all the esoteric literature of the underground, there is no mention of this, not so much as one word of consideration or explanation. This factor is sexuality and the physical sex drive. If the Second State data is contemplated as fact, this business of sex among humans has somehow become thoroughly confused, distorted, and badly misunderstood..." (long sort of drawn out lengthy comment...) See free pdf- Journeys out of the Body, by Robert Monroe. 9/16/59 (Sexual experience on the etheric domain)- by Robert Monroe Upon deciding to "see" I became aware of my position in the room. The office was dimly lit and I was above the table and some eight feet away from the couch, where I could make out my physical body half-visible in the dark. Then, near the door, I saw a form, certainly humanoid, moving toward me. Immediately, I "knew" that this person was female. I was still cautious, but I was fighting the sex urge, which was rising in spite of any self-will. "I am a woman." It seemed to be a low, woman's voice. I said that I knew she was, trying to hold back. The sexual overtones in her voice were unmistakable. She came even closer. My mind translated that she was indeed a woman, and the epitome of sexual attractiveness. I backed away, torn by desire and the fear of what might happen if I actually did have a sexual relationship while in the Second Body, and the possible "disloyalty" to my wife. Finally, my fear of possible unknown consequences overcame the desire, and I hastily dived back into the physical body, reassociated, and sat up. I looked around. The room was empty. The moment I thought about the event, my physical body reacted and became stimulated. I went outside for a walk before returning to make these notes. Maybe I am a coward! It took a number of these meetings at varying levels of intensity before I began to assess the "wrong" of it that held me back. There seemed to be a direct relationship between what I interpreted as the sexual drive and this "force" that permitted me to disassociate from the physical body. Was it a redirection of this basic drive that I actually felt as "vibrations?" Or was it the other way around? Was the sexual drive a physical and emotional manifestation of the force? Perhaps there is a way to examine this under very strictly controlled conditions-that is, if there is a society mature enough to undertake the experiments. Certainly ours is not. All that can be done here is to attempt to bring certain points under scrutiny. Recently, in scientific studies of dreams and sleep, it was noted that during REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep, male subjects evidenced a penile erection. This occurred irrespective of the dream content. A non-sexual dream still produced the effect. This is about as far as science has experimented to date. It is mentioned here only because the most consistent physical reaction noted when returning from the Second State is a penile erection. It is a clue, no more. Whether through redirection or purification, Second State sexuality is not the same as its physical echo, even once the habits and preconceptions of the latter are discarded. The barriers created and continually reinforced by social conditioning are but half of it. The physical-mechanical elements themselves no longer seem to apply. For a long time, the mind will continue to translate the attraction-actionreaction sequence as a similar function occurring non-physically. As perception and control sharpen, the differences become more noticeable. First and most obvious, there is no evidence of the male-female interpenetration. Attempts to express the need in such a functional manner become pathetic in retrospect. One discovers in frustration that it just doesn't happen that way in the Second State. Next, sensuality produced by the physical form of the sex counterpart is entirely absent. There is no distinct pattern of physical shape, either visually or by touch. How, then? What then? The analogy of the opposite magnetic poles still holds. There is an acute awareness of "difference," which is like radiation (as it may well be) from the sun, or a fire as felt by one shivering with cold. It is dynamically attractive and needed. This attraction varies in intensity with the individual. (Define what makes one person more sexually attractive than another; it is more than physical proportions.) It can be like magnetic lines of flux. The "act" itself is not an act at all, but an immobile, rigid state of shock where the two truly intermingle, not just at a surface level and at one or two specific body parts, but in full dimension, atom for atom, throughout the entire Second Body. There is a short, sustained electron (?) flow one to another. The moment reaches unbearable ecstasy, and then tranquillity, equalization, and it is over. Why this takes place, why it is needed, I do not know, any more than the north pole of a magnet understands its "need" for the south pole of another magnet. Unlike the magnet, however, we can perceive objectively and ask "why." One fact is certain: as in the physical state, the act is equally needed in the Second. In some part of Locale II, it is as or...... [/I] [/QUOTE]
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