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<blockquote data-quote="Harry" data-source="post: 26755" data-attributes="member: 525"><p><strong>Re: Social Studies</strong></p><p></p><p>Greetings, all:</p><p></p><p> These are some fundamental what-ifs that would surely alter the shape and foundation of Western history. They are all war related as seldom do cataclysmic events that can provoke massive alterations occur in peaceful, quiet eras (which are fairly rare, to say the least). Outside of natural eruptions, floods or avalanches, war is riven by both tragedy and innovation.</p><p></p><p> ? What if in the spring and summer of 480 BC the Persians had successfully crushed the land and sea forces of the Greek city-states, meaning, Thermopylae and whatever sea battle that might be the alternate version of Salamis, go the opposite way. The Greeks were actually beaten at Thermopylae, but the Spartans delayed Xerxes' advance and bought the navy time to run away and fight again another day.</p><p> If these city-states are overrun by the Persians, Phoenicians and Ionians, we'd have a very different history and culture today. Zorastrianism might be a mighty world religion, for starters. It would keep a novelist cranking multi-volumes determining how the world lines would split and split and split.</p><p></p><p> ? The Battle of Vienna, Summer, 1683: This was the second go the Ottomans made at Vienna, and the most serious. What if Kara Mustafa had pulled it off, breeched the walls and carried the city, defended it from counterattack, and brought Islam into the heart of Europe in the late 17th century? Woosh goes Mozart, for one, probably. And if King John Sobieski III is related to actress Lee Lee Sobieski, then, well. How that would've affected greater European affairs and overseas colonialism -- and the American Revolution (if it happened) would be interesting to pursue.</p><p></p><p> ? The Germans Win World War I: World War I is just out of the spotlight, across a burnt trench of memory, with its herky-jerky movies and faded photos, but it was one of the pivotal events. </p><p> What if the Germans had tightened their line, not gotten a case of the nerves, properly reinforced the Western armies, and swept round and behind Paris, avoiding a Battle of the Marne? </p><p> The Germans won on the Eastern Front and their 1918 victory conditions imposed harsh terms on the Russians, including taking over the Ukraine. </p><p> This of course precipitated "Dr. Zhivago" among other things.</p><p> Some kind of nationalism probably would've arisen even if the Nazis hadn't taken power but there would've been a knock down drag out between whatever imperalist power remained in Europe against the Soviet Union. A Weimar culture might've evolved, anyway, so Marlene Dietrich and Louise Brooks fans can rest at ease.</p><p></p><p> Thoughts to ponder. --HEK</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harry, post: 26755, member: 525"] [b]Re: Social Studies[/b] Greetings, all: These are some fundamental what-ifs that would surely alter the shape and foundation of Western history. They are all war related as seldom do cataclysmic events that can provoke massive alterations occur in peaceful, quiet eras (which are fairly rare, to say the least). Outside of natural eruptions, floods or avalanches, war is riven by both tragedy and innovation. ? What if in the spring and summer of 480 BC the Persians had successfully crushed the land and sea forces of the Greek city-states, meaning, Thermopylae and whatever sea battle that might be the alternate version of Salamis, go the opposite way. The Greeks were actually beaten at Thermopylae, but the Spartans delayed Xerxes' advance and bought the navy time to run away and fight again another day. If these city-states are overrun by the Persians, Phoenicians and Ionians, we'd have a very different history and culture today. Zorastrianism might be a mighty world religion, for starters. It would keep a novelist cranking multi-volumes determining how the world lines would split and split and split. ? The Battle of Vienna, Summer, 1683: This was the second go the Ottomans made at Vienna, and the most serious. What if Kara Mustafa had pulled it off, breeched the walls and carried the city, defended it from counterattack, and brought Islam into the heart of Europe in the late 17th century? Woosh goes Mozart, for one, probably. And if King John Sobieski III is related to actress Lee Lee Sobieski, then, well. How that would've affected greater European affairs and overseas colonialism -- and the American Revolution (if it happened) would be interesting to pursue. ? The Germans Win World War I: World War I is just out of the spotlight, across a burnt trench of memory, with its herky-jerky movies and faded photos, but it was one of the pivotal events. What if the Germans had tightened their line, not gotten a case of the nerves, properly reinforced the Western armies, and swept round and behind Paris, avoiding a Battle of the Marne? The Germans won on the Eastern Front and their 1918 victory conditions imposed harsh terms on the Russians, including taking over the Ukraine. This of course precipitated "Dr. Zhivago" among other things. Some kind of nationalism probably would've arisen even if the Nazis hadn't taken power but there would've been a knock down drag out between whatever imperalist power remained in Europe against the Soviet Union. A Weimar culture might've evolved, anyway, so Marlene Dietrich and Louise Brooks fans can rest at ease. Thoughts to ponder. --HEK [/QUOTE]
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