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The Piris Reis Maps are Fraudulent

Discussion in 'Alternate Histories and Timelines' started by Carl Miller, Jun 6, 2017.

  1. Carl Miller

    Carl Miller Senior Member

    Feb 27, 2014
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    A group of historians found in 1929 at theTopkapi Palace in Istanbul, Turkey, something fascinating. Imprinted on an old Gazelle skin dated 1513, they discovered a segment of an amazing map. This map seemed to depict part of the Atlantic Ocean and included the Americas and Antarctica in perfect detail.

    The map came to be named after its creator (Piri Reis) and even now the debate continues. Did Piri Reis was lucky with cartographic guesswork? Or did the Turkish admiral have access to charts and maps created by an advanced race, living on the planet thousands of years ago or something else?

    SESSION 26/OCT/04.

    Medium: Jorge Olguin

    Interlocutor: HoracioVelmont.

    Entity that came to dialogue: Ron Hubbard Hubbard, founder of Dianetics and Scientology.

    Interlocutor: Were there maps at Christopher Columbus’ disposal? I ask it because the historians speak a lot about this possibility.

    Ron Hubbard: There were maps, but they were incomplete. Columbus knew with all certainty that there were new lands because his thetan was constantly dictating to him and he even knew that there were ices in the south.

    Interlocutor: Definitely, Columbus was a great medium.

    Ron Hubbard: Of course. That is the source of his tremendous conviction.

    Interlocutor: That’s clear. But how about the maps Didn’t they give him also assurance?

    Ron Hubbard: No, not at all. In that time there was no map that could give him the slightest certainty that there were other lands.

    Interlocutor: But Didn't he have in his hands the maps of Piri Reis?

    Ron Hubbard: The maps of Piri Reis are subsequent to Columbus death, therefore they could never have been in his hands, the real maps of Piri Reis were incomplete and they didn't show new lands.

    Interlocutor: Are you telling me that those maps are false?

    Ron Hubbard: Correct.

    Interlocutor: I don’t understand.

    Ron Hubbard: The maps that are attributed to Piri Reis are not those that he drew, because they were redrawn by other cartographers who added other geographical data that were already known for sure.

    Interlocutor: The map of Piri Reis that I show you and I got from Internet, Is it false then?

    Ron Hubbard: Correct. I repeat that the original maps of Piri Reis were completely lacking they didn't indicate new lands at all.

    Interlocutor: Well, I admit that I didn't expect this. In fact I thought that Piri Reis had had some extraterrestrial contact.

    Ron Hubbard: No, not at all, his maps were modified by other cartographers. It is as if I sketched with some few lines a face and then others came and completed the eyes, the nose, mouth and ears.

    Interlocutor: I understand. So, Piri Reis didn't make any fraud.

    Ron Hubbard: No he did not.

    Interlocutor: Definitely, an entire false history was weaved about those maps.

    Ron Hubbard: Totally. They are not the original maps.

    Interlocutor: So that there is no doubt, when the cartographers modified the maps of Piri Reis they added geographical data they already knew with certainty?

    Ron Hubbard: Exactly. That is the absolute truth.

    Interlocutor: More fraud, impossible. Could not Columbus have any visible map that gave him the certainty of something?

    Ron Hubbard: Correct. The certainty of Columbus came fundamentally from his Higher-self or Thetan.

    Interlocutor: What you say is absolutely categorical!

    Ron Hubbard: I emphasize that the discovery of Columbus is only his merit.

    Interlocutor: Well. I won't insist more because I consider this issue properly clarified.


    I do not defend neither throw trash at the supposed product of channeling. I also hope you will have manners and will not attack the alleged medium from this post.
    Why??? If you do so, i will resort to the moderator from this website.
    Try to understand. I copy the opinion from someone i do not know because i see some truth into that. The least i can do is to protect the integrity of the one who produced such a post. I am not pro nor against the guy who did the supposed Reading, Please be quiet and do not throw trash. Remember we are on Paranormalis , we are not on Sceptics.org.
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  2. Harte

    Harte Senior Member

    Mar 24, 2005
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    In other words, no reasonable replies allowed.
    Because of this, your construct collapses on its self.

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  3. Carl Miller

    Carl Miller Senior Member

    Feb 27, 2014
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    Let it collapse. Last time i posted something alike. It was an article product of channeling like this one.
    Then i wished to express my opinion on Betty and Barney Hill abduction case.
    i am to lazy to keep on browsing back posts. So i never do that. In my opinion the past is gone.
    But i remember someone rushed into and blatantly threw trash on the supposed 'channellers' and doubted the validity of channeling ; generally speaking.
    As my intent was expressing my opinion that The Hills episode was a hoax i got disappointed at the participant comment who insisted in snobbing the post.
    So i ask participants to comment from the possibility Piris Reis Maps are a fake and please leave the creator of the post alone.
    Imagine i am contacted by the creator of the post, the one who wrote the post after his name is thrown to the trash?
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