The Pope's neverending death

[StarLord]

Re: The Pope's neverending death

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Crosstika\")</div>

Well kids in kindergarden start learning things from society. So your plan about teaching them before society does, would have to start even earlier than that? When ? In the womb?[/b]

This makes about as much sense as your comment regarding the pope knowing about child molestations during his tenure.

I'd be interested to see what Cary, Mom and Dad have to input regarding teaching your children.

Otherwise we could be too far off thread.

 

[BubbuClinton]

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While I am not a Catholic, I do appreciate the Love and Respect that they have for their Pope. I personally believe he was a very good man and did a lot to restore some of the fundamental Christian believes that the Catholics had lost over time.

After watching the never ending pomp and circumstance on the tube I can't help to think back to some of the prediction that Father Wingate made on Coast to Coast. While he was completely wrong as to the circumstances of the Popes death (He predicted the Pope would be kidnapped during a war intrusion into the Vatican, that he would completely heal as a sign from god, the anti-prophet pope would be elected, they would fake John Paul II's death, he would return after 8 months) is the faking the death part. He claimed they would do a closed coffin and I don't doubt the pope is dead, But it seemed to me he died really fast. They put a tube in for food then all of a sudden he got a fever and died. Makes me wonder if they should do an autopsy just to see if he was poisoned or something. Just food for thought. Like I said I am not catholic, but Wingate said that the Pope him self predicted the circumstances mentioned above. Hmmmm...

They sure seem to be trying hard to convince us he died with all of this media. hmmmmm

Bubbu

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[StarLord]

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Being 80 years old, having been shot twice, his organs start to deteoriate and shut down one by one, heart rhythm problems, Hell just watching him the last few months and you could tell he was not for long here. I doubt that they would go to the extremes of faking this. Add to the fact that he is resting in state without a casket all day for viewing and never moving a single muscle? Would have to be the performance of the millenium to pull that off..

 

[BubbuClinton]

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Like I said I think he is dead. I also agree that it was becoming evident that he would soon pass to the great Monestary in Sky. However, the end came really fast. I am actually glad for him it was not prolonged. I hope I go really fast when the time comes. But, then there are these Mystics out rhere that have been watching for something Nafarious going on in the Catholic church for a long time. I personally am waiting to see the if the Catholic mystics are more correct or the Billy Meyers Aliens are more correct in their predictions. I need to know if we were created by god or if god is just an Alien like Zoomerz says. He probably died of normal causes. Just a thought by an old Conspirist therory guy.

Bubbu
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[Zoomerz]

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Bubbu;

I need to know if we were created by god or if god is just an Alien like Zoomerz says.

I never said "god is an alien". I said I believe man was created by a superior race by crossing (in his image) their DNA with primates. If you want to call them god, fine ....I'm stuck with this theory, cuz I haven't a clue who created THEM, which is the real question! heh.....

Just a thought by an old guy.

true...true....

Z-

 

[deepthought]

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Does Crosstika have children?
You will probably have guessed from my various postings that I am a cynical, curmudgeonly old git. I am also a father and I take sh*t from no-one. I have taught my son from an early age that the world is not as it seems. A task made harder when he lost his sight at age 4. He was subjected to society at large from the age of 10 when he went to a specialised boarding school for the blind, where his peers and his
teachers came from various corners of the world. He learnt of heirarchy and politics within the school staff, and applied my cynicism and his analytical mind to the situation. The result? He took advantage of what was on offer, and excelled at all things. It left him better prepared for University than many of his now co-students.
He is mindful of that fact that 'he is there to be taught, not to learn' because of the empire builders on the campus staff. He is prepared 'to be taught' but he learns from collective experience, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Society has taught him lessons, but he has never forgotten the advice from his parents, and his teachers who always treated him as an adult.
I would say to Crosstika, if and when he has a family, to teach them all he knows, warts and all, and never let them be anybody's fool.

 

[StarLord]

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Very good Deepthought, your moniker matches your insight. Truly are children the product of their parents, the more fools they, the less effort obviously did the parents take.

 

[Grayson]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"StarLord\")</div>

Very good Deepthought, your moniker matches your insight. Truly are children the product of their parents, the more fools they, the less effort obviously did the parents take.[/b]

That's a bit simplistic and cynical to be honest with you Star. Kids, children are the ultimate input device, the soak up data, stimuli, nuances, the bits between the lines that remain unsaid, all the crap that the TV spews out and they assimilate within the laws/boundaries that you as a parent lay down, what their friends parents lay down and what every other adult lays down. Unfortunately, they don't all add up to the same ruleset. Conflict ensues from the day your chils interacts with every other human they meet, whatever their age.

Any good parent is not a rule maker, or a punishment dealer, they are simply a harbour pilot. Whilst my children are in my harbour, I will guide them through the marker buoys, the sand banks, the deep eddies and the sweep tides, just like a pilot boat would.

I help navigate the conflicts, explain the rules and open the minds of my children up to the options that await their individuality. That's my job.

Children are never the product of their parents, they are an amalgam of the social sets, sub-sets and random inputs of their every day lives, they are products of our times. We need to help them rise above that natural state of being, that's all we can do as parents.

 

[StarLord]

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Simplistic and cynical? Balderdash, Sir. I was a military brat and was gifted with the experience of living in many godforsaken military bases as I grew up, some a year, some a year and a half and once in the Orient for over five years. It has been my limited experience that the child is a direct reflection of his parents attention and loving efforts. I din't just pull that opinion out of a hat.

Yes there are going to be extremes from the norm and yes it could simply be rebellion on the kids part. However, show me a child that has no self respect and couldn't give a damn or two and the chances of his parents failing or not giving a damn themselves is quite great. Yes I do realize that kids are just on 'loan' until they decide to leave the nest and we only have them for a short time. However, if a good firm foundation is instilled in that kid early enough and they are taught to think on their feet and they know that they can come to you anytime for a free open discussion, both before the fact and after the fact, what part of society do you think will stick to them? Only the part they refuse to talk about because they are not ready to make a decision about it.

One of the very first jobs a child has is to figure out their limits. It is their primary task in life besides asking "are we there yet?" to see just how far they can push the adult. Once set, those limits are the virtual grounds for experience.

I grew up with a strict, loving father that made very sure that I knew without a shadow of a doubt, that the punishment I was about to receive was not only just but because of the fact that my father loved me and that I had exceeded the bounds of acceptable behavior, with the requisite 'this is going to hurt you more than it hurts me' spiel. Hard to argue with that kind of honesty.

So, you have to ask yourself, was the way we were brought up 40 or 50 years ago better than the way kids were brought up 20 or 30 years ago? I have noticed that this may be cyclic, the kids that had stern parents refused to punish their kids and those kids decided to be more stern with their children and so forth?

Sorry, but I do have to say that just like pudding, if it's prepared well, it takes care of itself with minimal chance of spoiling. The foundation that you give your children allow them to think for themself imho.

 

[August]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Crosstika\")</div>

I heard the pope knew about priests' molesting kids for 40 years and sat on top of it. Great man.[/b]

Crosstika, I have enjoyed this thread mightily--Thanks to you. You got my good friends in this community to gather round the well once more. Thank you.

That said, kill your television. I killed mine in 1995. If the internet gets out of line, I'll kill my computer. I have a car with no radio. Would you like to know what life is like without the media? How much? Take the monastic option if you dare. Do you know what makes Huck Finn most American? Do you know what that America looked like?

Cornelia, you are my favorite journalist in the whole world. Please keep reporting.

Also, I am a Catholic through and through. I read Augustine on the weekends. This is what the Pope would say if he could say it: "Move on people."

Read Hemingway's "Alpine Idyll" for simple explanation of this.

Carry on.