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The True Story of the Philadelphia Experiment

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  1. Opmmur

    Opmmur Time Travel Professor Premium

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    I first time, I know about the Philadelphia Experiment was in 1956 and the information came from
    Navy wife's talking about it. The subject was very real and a lot of good men were killed that day.
     
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    Prof, when you were 13 did you always listen to Navy wife`s talking? :cool: :D.
    I would be 10 (in 1956) when my father came home one day from work and started talking to my mother about bending light around an object to make it become invisible, i didnt understand what he was talking about but he seemed very excited by it..:D

    1978 i saw an advert on TV showing the front cover of a book with a ship on it and the title of The Philadelphia Experiment..
    The guy in the advert spoke of an experiment in 1943 which went wrong on board a US navy destroyer called the Eldridge, and it somehow travelled through time...The following day i went to a W. H. Smith. book store and bought my first copy of that book :).

    Can you please explain what you meant by saying, The subject was very real and a lot of good men were killed that day?
     


  3. Einstein

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    I've thought about this merging phenomena myself. I've seen pictures of objects inexplicably merged together. I think Hutchinson had some experimental results along this line too. But no one understands what is going on. Until today. I came across a remarkable realization this morning that fits like a glove. And even an experiment you can do to prove it to yourself.

    Let me start with some easy to understand math and theory to give you the engineering knowledge necessary to design an invisibility machine.

    First off let's look at force. It is considered to be one dimensional. If you attach a weight to a scale, and then rotate the scale so that the weight reading drops to zero at right angles to the initial vertical direction. And it will then show negative weight when upside down. So no right angle force should affect the vertical force and visa-versa.

    Lets accept time as being a force. So any other force that is oriented at right angles to time should be independent of time. All wave phenomena that we observe is either oriented in the direction of time or against it. But how would a wave phenomena appear to manifest along a right angle direction to time? Mathematically any right angle force to time should be something that would appear to happen instantaneously to us. We wouldn't be able to detect wave phenomena at right angles to time. So I've kind of always thought that right angles to time would be a space-like direction.

    Now, on to an interesting experiment. Sound waves moving toward each other create a standing wave phenomena. So let's go check out the AC in a lamp cord using wave theory. With the lamp on, the AC goes down one side of the cord to the lamp. And returns down the other side of the lamp cord back into the wall. There should be a standing wave there. Since the opposing oscillating currents should cancel out the motion component of the AC waves. I would expect to see a compass needle orient itself at right angles to the lamp cord. And reverse direction back and forth as I move the compass along the lamp cord. But that is not what happens. In fact nothing happens. There is no detectable standing wave there. That's a fact. Go do the experiment and prove it to yourself. So I think all I can say for sure is that AC does not oscillate in a time-like direction.

    Now, does everyone remember the mineshaft experiments done at the beginning of the 20th century?

    The Tamarack Mines Mystery.

    It's kind of like the dimensions of length that comprise matter are upside down. Like maybe matter is made of a negative type of length, and space is made of a positive type of length. Gotta have symmetry. Seems to be a natural law of nature. So I figure why not go see if I can use an AC standing wave generator to observe to see if there is any effect it may have on normal space. Obviously frequency and amplitude would be something to be determined. Using wave theory I'm hypothesizing that the standing magnetic waves exist in a space-like direction. So at a specific frequency and amplitude I might be able to cancel out the existing positive length waves that define space. An object under these conditions would have no length width or depth. Technically the object would exist outside of space. I would think something like that would be invisible to see.

    I'm estimating that it was back around 2003 that someone told me about the two huge opposing degaussing coils inside the Eldridge. This person told me that two opposing AC currents were pulsed on and off through those degaussing coils. At the time I dismissed the info as total nonsense. After all we are taught that the AC cancels itself out. But back then I knew nothing about wave theory. During Tesla's time they knew nothing about particle or quantum theory. Looks like they got to use theories based in fact. Wave theory was dominant back then. And then along comes info of Dr Z's Brossard experiment. I spent hours talking to him about all the little details of his experiment. He had used opposing current coils wrapped around iron bars which he had installed throughout a vehicle. The whole thing was pulsed on and off using a turn signal flasher. He claimed the vehicle went invisible during an experimental test. Of course it caught fire shortly after and the test vehicle was a total loss.

    Just based on this info so far I'll bet a magnetic standing wave transmitter could be used to talk to someone across the galaxy instantaneously. Tesla was rumored to have been talking to aliens.

    So I think this is the meat and potatoes we need to engineer invisibility. And one step at a time we can move on to teleportation. Then use the same wave theory principles to develop a time machine. Just bear in mind that this type of invisibility involves leaving normal space and existing outside space. So reentering normal space is where this merging phenomena could be a problem.
     
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  4. TimeFlipper

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    The TimeFlipper thanks his good friend for producing "simple to understand" math and theory, and is pleased to know that his good friend has returned to believing the math he learnt in high school, is still worthwhile when discussing time-travel ;).:LOL: (you know i love to joke with you sometimes my friend) ;) :D..

    Lets look at an upside down scale reading zero...Yes it would read zero because of the "mechanism" within the scale would only allow for a weight reading in its vertical position...

    When a lamp is switched on a cycle begins...The voltage pushes the current forward (AC) and it is the current which lights up the lamp..

    Yes, the AC does flow down from one side of the cord to the lamp, but then that current is used up to light the lamp, so therefore the current could never go down the opposite side of the cord after it leaves the lamp as you suggested it would, leaving a standing wave....I think you overlooked the fact that it is the "Voltage" and not the AC which "continually" flows up and down the cord..the AC is only there to give energy for keeping the lamp alight..

    All Radio transmitters produce an AC that flows into a resonant section which is the antenna, and then a radio wave is formed..
    Should there be a big problem with the antenna, we get "standing waves" occurring which is a rapid build up of the AC being prevented to move forward into the antenna, and consequently the output section of the transmitter blows up..Ask Prof @Opmmur most of us hams has blown up the front end of our transmitters at some time :XD: :D

    It might be a bit difficult to produce a magnetic standing wave transmitter per se, you might need an an audio source to give you the necessary standing wave harmonics...How about mixing up some quantum entanglement into your transmitter to provide the instantaneous transmissions?...

    From what i read, Tesla was allegedly talking to some aliens from Venus and its 162million miles away from us, so it would take approximately 14.5 minutes for his transverse radio signal to get there, if he was using a standard radio transmitter...All that was happening in the late 19th century (i think)..
     
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    TimeFlipper

    This is 2017. Haven't you gotten one of the newer digital scales that will read negative weight yet?

    You got that backwards. It's the voltage that gets used up by the lamp in the circuit. The current remains the same everywhere in the circuit. So there would be an identical current wave on both the supply and return. But if you don't believe me just get an amp probe and check for yourself both the supply and return lines. Amps will cause a deflection of a compass needle, not voltage.

    When I mentioned transmitter, I wasn't referring to a radio wave transmitter. Transmitting antennas just emit voltage waves. I was just bringing up the fact that we don't have magnetic wave transmitters. And it was speculation that possibly that type of transmitter would transmit waves that travel instantaneously.
     
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    My friend, in any simple electrical circuit you have a Voltage and Current, and when you place a resistance into that circuit it can be a lamp or an electric motor, and you will find its the current and not the voltage which provides the actual power for the lamp or motor..the voltage and current flows in a circle at very fast speed which means your meter isnt fast enough (or your eyes) to differentiate the on off cycle of the bulb....

    There will always be a current before the bulb lights up and after the bulb lights up, thats the basic cycle of voltage and current operation..
    I know you didnt mention the standard radio transmitter, i just put it in to show the theory of standing waves occurring in them..Radio Hams borrowed the theory of standing waves from physics, and when our radio rigs blew up, the term destructive interference was applied..:D

    A Radio antenna converts electric power into electromagnetic waves, and vice versa...The radio transmitter supplies an AC current to the antenna terminals and the electric "currents" energy is converted into an electromagnetic wave..(A Radio Wave)..When a receiver picks up the radio wave it receives a very low powered current which is subsequently amplified..You can measure those currents in either microamps or milliamps, depending on the strength of the radio wave received..:)

    ...Therefore my friend, the antenna does not "just emit voltage waves", as you suggested.. (Please check out everything i have told you, and you will find that iam correct)...I did make a mention to your magnetic transmitter, it might be possible to make one, without the need for quantum entanglement as i suggested...:)
     
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    I do see that you corrected your statement about current being used up. I wasn't trying to pick on you. But I still don't think you're quite understanding that no current flows through an antenna during radio wave emission. The antenna is always connected as if it was half of a capacitor. Ideally the antenna should have no capacitance. But it does because the antenna has surface area. Since no current flows through the antenna, no magnetic field is present during emission of the radio wave. So only an electric wave is transmitted. But I did find a link to a high frequency current probe you could use to verify no AC magnetic wave is present in your transmitting antenna.

    www.tek.com/sites/tek.com/files/media/media/resources/AC_Current_Probes.pdf

    Also I was taught that power consumed is always the product of Volts times Amps which produces Watts.

    Anyway you got me thinking how a magnetic wave antenna could be made. I think a normal radio transmitter could be used with minimal modification. Any current carrying conductor will emit a magnetic field. So it occurred to me that grounding the end of the radio antenna would allow current to run through. And install a low value resistor rated with enough wattage just before the antenna. That way the resistor uses up the voltage with only the AC current left behind. And of course now a receiver would have to be modified with the same principles in mind. What do you think of this idea?
     
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    My friend, iam certain that you will agree with me that a radio wave is better known as an electromagnetic wave...So that sort of blows up your idea that a radio wave, according to you has no current and no magnetic field..The term Electric refers to either the Voltage or the Current..:)

    Regarding the bulb or lamp, its still the current that is responsible for lighting it up, the voltage merely carries or pushes the current along (y).
    The link you provided for me has nothing in it that mentions radio antennas...Power is measured in another of Ohm`s Laws...

    P=power, expressed in watts or milliwatts or microwatts..I=is the current, expressed in amps or milliamps or microamps..V=voltage expressed in volts or millivolts of a volt..Thus P=IxV (and not P=VxI)..as you stated)...Therefore I=the current (amps).. (lets say 10amps) and V=the voltage (lets say 10volts)..multiply the 10amps by 10volts and we have 100watts of power....If we wish to discover the Current (amps), we divide the Power by the Voltage..Thus 100watts of Power divided by the Voltage of 10Volts equals 10Amps...And if we wish to discover the voltage, we divide the Power by the current..thus 100Watts of power divided by the current of 10Amps equals 10Volts..:)

    Allow me to explain the magic of Radio Antenna`s...Lets say i want an antenna for the10Mhz amateur radio band that is very simple and requires no inductors or capacitors to tune it....I would select a half wave dipole that is "resonant" for 10Mhz...It would be a horizontal length of thick copper wire with a total length of 15 meters, cut in half....One half of the antenna would the transmitting/receiving side and the other half acting as ground...(or positive and negative referring to the transmitter output....

    How will i get the length for a fully resonant half wave dipole antenna on that 10Mhz amateur radio frequency??....We know that the speed of light travels close to 300,000,000 meters per second...So we drop the zero`s down to this level, to come up with a simple equation, 10(mhz) divided into 300, becomes 10 divided into 300 which is 30meters for the length of a "full wave dipole", but we want a half wave dipole so we cut the 30meters length into half, which leaves us with 15meters of copper wire, which we cut in half, as above..

    Maybe there is something in what i have told you that might be of interest to you when you are thinking about Scalar Wave Antennas, and im certain that the Prof @Opmmur will tell you everything that i have told you is accurate about an AC (alternating current) going into a resonant antenna which creates an electro-magnetic wave (not an electric wave as you suggested) for every single radio transmitter that has..is..and always will be, an electro-magnetic wave thats derived from an AC current which comes out of every radio transmitter..:cool:
    The actual distance a radio wave can travel depends firstly on the effectiveness of the antenna and the atmospheric changes in the ionosphere and troposphere...

    another ohms law.png ;)..

    And now we must get closer to the original topic for this thread :)
     
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    I thought everyone knew a radio wave was just an electric wave. I provided a link to a test instrument that you could use to verify there is no AC current in your antenna. But I leave it up to you if you want to find out the truth. Sorry if I offended you in anyway. It wasn't my intention.
     
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    No you havent offended me at all my friend, although i cannot be held responsible for you living in denial about electromagnet waves just being electric waves, and i thought everybody knew that a radio wave is an electromagnetic wave...Ahh well, maybe the Prof will help you out better than i can...:LOL:
     
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