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<blockquote data-quote="Observer" data-source="post: 27035" data-attributes="member: 576"><p><strong>Re: Treeees!!!</strong></p><p></p><p>I am truly sorry, but I would more likely give time to ponder whether Santa Claus and little elves created humanity so as to have a market for their toys than believe in an equally improbably diety (Insert name of favorite diety). Science deals with observable and replicable phenomena. ID is not a theory, it is speculation. There is no way to experiment to prove or disprove "God" or show "God" in the works. Science should not be in the business of trying to "Disprove" God and I am sure no one is. If something came along and screamed out, "I am proof of a divine being" "I am proof of alien seeding" etc...scientist would be slavering and working away to show how it was done, where they are now, how long ago, etc. Probably give a Nobel prize.</p><p> </p><p>ID is religion, sorry. Do I think we know everything about the Universe? Goodness, I hope not. What fun would that be? But I think that mixing religion with science is the wrong path to follow. You will soon find your "Scientific" results following the nose of your religion in an attempt to verify your beliefs. Outcome and results pre-determined by expectations. When science has a "pucker" factor moment, when the worldview must change, it does. Grudgingly sometimes, but it does. Facts are facts. Scientist cannot wish them away or blame mythological beings that sport nifty wings. Do they argue points? Heck yes, Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof. Evolution has that track record. Read about the difference in DNA between us and chimpanzees. I bet you won't, as it would cause a moments doubt in your mind. Actually, why even look. Go and read one of the "Left Behind" books. Go to your happy place and be at peace.</p><p> </p><p>Dmitri, I have no hope of changing your mind. As you have no way of convincing me that passing religious based ID off as science is correct. Belief in science, and evolution for that matter, is not religion. It is open to change. It has changed, since the first human wondered why it rained down to my wondering how our education system has failed so badly. It will change again. But you need to remember, our science is not new. It is based and built upon the work of thousands of years of human thinking. Trial and error. When something is replaced by a new reality, it usually involves a change in our worldview. Old theories die away, new ones take precedence. The thing is, Dmitri, the current theories are not changing fundamentally, they are fine tuning. </p><p> </p><p>On a side note, can you tell me who you think the "Intelligent Designer" is? A divine being? An alien race? Neither?</p><p> </p><p>That is a question I find interesting. I could possibly humor the thought of alien inteference, but not mythological beings. The odds in favor of the former are much better than the odds against the latter.</p><p> </p><p>(My opinion, of course..as is all of my diatribe <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite39" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> )</p><p> </p><p>Jim</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Observer, post: 27035, member: 576"] [b]Re: Treeees!!![/b] I am truly sorry, but I would more likely give time to ponder whether Santa Claus and little elves created humanity so as to have a market for their toys than believe in an equally improbably diety (Insert name of favorite diety). Science deals with observable and replicable phenomena. ID is not a theory, it is speculation. There is no way to experiment to prove or disprove "God" or show "God" in the works. Science should not be in the business of trying to "Disprove" God and I am sure no one is. If something came along and screamed out, "I am proof of a divine being" "I am proof of alien seeding" etc...scientist would be slavering and working away to show how it was done, where they are now, how long ago, etc. Probably give a Nobel prize. ID is religion, sorry. Do I think we know everything about the Universe? Goodness, I hope not. What fun would that be? But I think that mixing religion with science is the wrong path to follow. You will soon find your "Scientific" results following the nose of your religion in an attempt to verify your beliefs. Outcome and results pre-determined by expectations. When science has a "pucker" factor moment, when the worldview must change, it does. Grudgingly sometimes, but it does. Facts are facts. Scientist cannot wish them away or blame mythological beings that sport nifty wings. Do they argue points? Heck yes, Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof. Evolution has that track record. Read about the difference in DNA between us and chimpanzees. I bet you won't, as it would cause a moments doubt in your mind. Actually, why even look. Go and read one of the "Left Behind" books. Go to your happy place and be at peace. Dmitri, I have no hope of changing your mind. As you have no way of convincing me that passing religious based ID off as science is correct. Belief in science, and evolution for that matter, is not religion. It is open to change. It has changed, since the first human wondered why it rained down to my wondering how our education system has failed so badly. It will change again. But you need to remember, our science is not new. It is based and built upon the work of thousands of years of human thinking. Trial and error. When something is replaced by a new reality, it usually involves a change in our worldview. Old theories die away, new ones take precedence. The thing is, Dmitri, the current theories are not changing fundamentally, they are fine tuning. On a side note, can you tell me who you think the "Intelligent Designer" is? A divine being? An alien race? Neither? That is a question I find interesting. I could possibly humor the thought of alien inteference, but not mythological beings. The odds in favor of the former are much better than the odds against the latter. (My opinion, of course..as is all of my diatribe ;) ) Jim [/QUOTE]
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