What Evidence Would You Need for a Time Travel Claim?

Discussion in 'Time Travel Discussion' started by temporal recon, Jul 2, 2012.

  1. temporal recon Member

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    How do you judge a claim from a someone claiming to be a time traveler?

    Is it the accuracy of his predictions? Considering his predictions are for the future, it will be some time before you can reliably judge using only his predictions as a benchmark.

    Is there some other way you know a time traveler is a hoaxer? Are all claimants of time travel hoaxers?
  2. Ren Senior Member

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    Why would a time-traveler want to prove him or herself other than to boost his or her personal ego? Regardless of what anyone says, at least people shouldn't be lazy and judge that person without reading what he or she has to say.

    Some people are so selfish, dumb, lazy and indifferent today. It is because they aren't fighting for their lives.
  3. Einstein Active Member

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    I might accept proof if someone was able to reshape the past. You see dead celebrities come back alive. My favorite is Roger Ebert. A movie critic in the mid 90's. Used to critic with Siskel. The show was called the Siskel and Ebert show. But I clearly remember he died back then. He was as big as a whale. 3 people size. I heard he died of a massive heart attack. My ex-wife clearly remembers it also. So I was a little surprised to see he is now alive. Although not doing too well now. But how did he come back from the dead? My theory is that people in the entertainment business have access to time travel technology. It seems that mistakes can be corrected with time travel technology. And of course more recently there are Michael Jackson sightings. It was a drug overdose, right? Something a time traveler could correct with a visit to the past. I am accepting this as evidence that time travel technology exists. But then I have personal experiences in my past that also point toward evidence of time travel. Evidence to me that I will become a time traveler in my future. So I'm already a believer. But not in John Titor. He flubbed up in using black holes as the source of his time machines abilities. The fact is a black hole is a mathematically derived concept. Someone made it up on a piece of paper. The astronomers say there is evidence that they exist. But no facts yet. I doubt there ever will be facts to support black holes.
  4. kurisu Active Member

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    Depends on the situation of how we met whether it's online or irl if it was irl then it's simple he can give me a ride to the past or simply show me the machine/device he uses if it was online I would have to judge him by the consistency of his story and, whether or not all the pieces of the story fit together. It's hard to answer a bunch of questions without slipping up ( hard but, not impossible ) I suppose it I would believe them if they could predict the lottery numbers and, give them to me. The lottery is a very very very low chance of winning if someone could predict the numbers multiple times without flaw then, I can know it wasn't a fluke or something similar to the lottery ( it was only a example )
  5. opmmur Senior Member

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    This is a re-post from Professor Opmmur's website:

    Opmmur's web site link: Board Message?

    Posted: Aug 8 2004, 04:54 PM

    If you’re a real Time Traveler from the future you will know the right answers to my eight simple questions.

    Please note: any grade school student in your time will know the answer to all questions listed. I am not a time traveler and I do know the answers to my stated eight questions.

    1. Can you tell who is considered the father of Time Travel and who is credited for the first working Time Machine and the year it happened?

    2. What are the principles used in the first real Time Machine and from which country did it come from?

    3. The 2012 Eternal Time Wall can you tell us about it?

    4. How many elements are now on the Periodic Table of Elements?

    5. On your Periodic Table of Elements, I would like to know which element is used in space travel to stop deadly gamma rays? (It’s one element from #5 (Boron) to #172 (name @#$%^&*) on the Periodic Table of Elements, which one and it’s early name?)

    6. On your Periodic Table of Elements, I would like to know which element could stand the temperatures of one million degrees Fahrenheit, when Indium element #49 is added to the curing process? (It’s one element from #5 (Boron) to #172 (name @#$%^&*) on the Periodic Table of Elements, which one and it’s name?)

    Bonus Questions:

    7. What about the gray’s: There are three distinct gray groups visiting this planet, can you tell me about them, can you also describe their appearance and what their names are in English?

    8. What are the principles used in your Time Machine? (Yes, I understand Electronics and Physics)

    Thank You
    Professor Opmmur
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  6. opmmur Senior Member

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    Last call for partying time travelers
    MIT student makes a date for visitors from future

    Posted: May 7 2005, 09:12 PM - From Opmmur's web site

    The Link: Last call for partying time travelers - Technology & science - Science - msnbc.com

    Dorai, a student at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, is hosting a Time Traveler Convention on campus this Saturday. Make plans now, because it’s the last such party.

    “You only need one,” he said. “The chance that anybody shows up is small, but if it happens it will be one of the biggest events in human history.”

    There’s no dress code. No need to R.S.V.P. Refreshments (chips and dip) will be provided.

    Dorai only asks his guests to show proof they come from the future: Bringing the cure for cancer, a solution for global poverty or a cold fusion reactor would suffice.

    In case MIT is long gone by the time a time machine is invented, Dorai’s invitation includes geographic coordinates for the East Campus Courtyard (42:21:36.025 degrees north, 71:05:16.332 degrees west).

    To spread the word, Dorai asked friends to scribble invitations on pieces of acid-free paper and slip them into obscure library books. He is also giving media interviews and posting his thoughts on a Web site.

    “The World Wide Web is unlikely to remain in its present form permanently,” he wrote. “We need volunteers to publish the details of the convention in enduring forms, so that the time travelers of future millennia will be aware of the convention.”

    The convention starts at 8 p.m. For dramatic effect, time travelers are encouraged to show up at 10 p.m. sharp. In between, revelers will take in a lecture on time travel by an MIT physics professor and listen to student bands belting out time-themed songs.

    MIT physics professor Alan Guth is weighing an invitation to speak at the convention. Guth’s work involves applying theoretical particle physics to the early universe, but he said he has dabbled in writing about time travel theories.

    “Most of us would bet it’s impossible, but none of us can prove it’s impossible either,” he said.

    Dorai doesn’t consider himself a believer or a skeptic.

    “I’m an experimentalist,” he said. “If there’s only going to be one, it should be here at MIT.”

    Apart from the near-certainty that time travel is impossible, Dorai sees another potential problem. “If thousands of time travelers come, then the MIT police might try to shut the party down,” he said.
  7. Himalayan Hermit Active Member

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    Good points though I don't necessarily agree with all. Reshaping past falls flat if you're following alternate time-line theory. Entertainers having access to TT is also :-\ but I've read similar counts from other people where someone was thought as dead. I don't think any credible proof has come forth though.

    I am, however, curious about the Michael Jackson point you make. Can you share any link or source for his sightings?
  8. Einstein Active Member

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    I'm not going by theory. I'm going by what we do observe to be happening. Here's a page on youtube with lots of info.

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  9. Samstwitch Moderator

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    I distinctly remember Roger Ebert dying as well...but he is back now. How can this be?
  10. opmmur Senior Member

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    Gene Siskel

    Eugene Kal "Gene" Siskel was an American film critic and journalist for the Chicago Tribune. Along with colleague Roger Ebert, he hosted the popular review show Siskel & Ebert At the Movies.

    From 1975 until his death
    Born: January 26, 1946, Chicago
    Died: February 20, 1999, Evanston

    Spouse: Marlene Iglitzen
    Buried: Westlawn Cemetery
    Education: Yale University, University of Toronto Mississauga, Culver Academies

    Roger Ebert

    Roger Joseph Ebert is an American journalist, film critic and screenwriter, who has been described by Forbes as "the most powerful pundit in America". It has been nearly four years since Roger Ebert lost his lower jaw and his ability to speak. Now television's most famous movie critic is rarely seen and never heard, but his words have never stopped.

    Read more: Roger Ebert Cancer Battle - Roger Ebert Interview - Esquire

    Born: June 18, 1942 (age 70), Urbana
    Height: 5' 8" (1.72 m)
    Spouse: Chaz Ebert (m. 1992)
    Movies and TV shows: At the Movies, Beyond the Valley of the Dolls, More
    Books: The Great Movies, Roger Ebert's Four-Star Reviews 1967-2007, More
    Education: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, University of Cape Town
  11. Himalayan Hermit Active Member

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    wow interesting video. Thanks for sharing!
  12. TimeNot_0 Member

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    About as bad as Titor just to give people something more to crab about.
  13. kcwildman Senior Member

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    ok short of a real life demonstration ,like taking me to the future ,or the past you can not offer up convincing proof that anyone claiming to be a T.T. is for real the printed or spoken word is still that just words.
    no matter how much someone wants it to be demension/world jumping is not time travel. while that in it's self would be realy cool too, it's still not time travel.
    also the simple fact that any revealing of time travel befor it's actual discovery would change the world of the traveler
    so in closeing yes all claimants of time travel are hoaxers/story tellers. seeking to gain a few minutes of fame and attention
  14. Einstein Active Member

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    At last! I've been posting this story for over 4 years now. And your the first person to corroborate my memory. Naturally there should be others as well. I discovered Roger Ebert was back from the dead about 4 years ago. Just happened to glance at the TV and was shocked to see him on the screen. So I went to the internet to find out more about him. Apparently I could not find any reference to his death. I found the same info as posted by Opmmur. Now the internet is a constantly changing environment. So any current info on someone can usually be found. But somewhere out there a reference to his death must exist. Maybe in an old library on a microfiche archive one might find it. But I don't remember the date or even year that he died.

    But Michael Jackson is a completely different type of celebrity death. His death was widely publicized. So everyone pretty much knows he's gone. As I recall, even an autopsy was performed. And isn't his doctor doing time in prison somewhere for being responsible? So his reemergence seems to be downplayed quite a bit. I mean if we all knew he wasn't really dead, then everyone would want to know how. And my theory that time travel technology was used probably isn't something those in the know are being allowed to divulge. Which if true, would be a crime against us all. How many of us have lost a loved one due to some accidental cause? What if you found out a loved one lost through accident could be brought back? Would that make people get up in arms? I certainly wouldn't want to be in a position of power withholding this information.
  15. PamelaM Active Member

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    A time traveler would most likely only give proof to the people he needed to believe him.
    Others may be able to piece things together later to have this proof when he is gone and safe.
    No sane timetraveler is going to give you proof while he was still here. He would most likely consider
    That not worth it. Any kind of absolute proof puts him in a certain danger...and let's face it he has a
    Mission to complete.
  16. PamelaM Active Member

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    One thing that is hard for people to believe is a time traveler may not be out to convince
    You he is real. What he needs is to make change if that is his mission. It may be totally
    Different than what you think it may be. Total belief that one is a timetraveler is not always
    Needed to make that change. A timetraveler can even lie and tell a,more believable future
    If it makes one prepare for an unbelievable one. There may even be certain people he wants to
    Prepare and others he wouldn't..it can get complicated. But to convince everyone he is who he
    Said he was especially while still here could possible put him in danger...think about it. What would happen
    To a person where everyone was totally convinced he was a time traveler....John told you.
    That person would end up in a padded cell while they take a Phillips head screwdriver to his machine.
  17. PamelaM Active Member

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    There are ways time travelers communicate with each other.
    Iam sure most are confidential....but every now and then a smart
    Person may come along and figure it out. Just saying.
  18. titorite Senior Member

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    Who asks "what evidence would you need for a time travel claim?" except those fishing for information preparing and planing for a bigger hoax attempt down the road?

    It is asuch an odd question I can only think no good intent was originally put into it.

    I do not need evidence of a time travel claim. If someone was trying to convince me they either Would right away or I would blow them off with the kind of disregard I offer religious solicitors.
  19. Sliders Member

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    I think the fathers of time travel or dimensional travel (as I call it) might be Nicola Tesla and then later on Hugh Everett who studied under wheeler, JT himself stated that the "Everett/Wheeler model" was correct, we also have to give credit to Erwin Schrödinger (Schrödinger's cat, Schrödinger's cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). Those are the forefathers of T-Travel or D-Travel. We also now have compelling evidence that remote viewing may give us an insight to the other parallel universes (timelines) check out Dr. Courtney Brown over at farsight.org also he's not the only one to corroborate these theories, clif high over at halfpasthuman.com who invented "The Web Bot" a program that predicts the future also states the same thing. I can only say the same thing Oliver Williams says, a lot of what JT said would happen are now happening.
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    Good stuff!

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