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Who or what created the Universe and how?
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<blockquote data-quote="kcwildman" data-source="post: 146854" data-attributes="member: 1046"><p>we must take one observable fact into the mix,, that all matter/anti-matter can not be created or destroyed. but rather only transformed from one state to another. so by anyone observing the resulting magical transformation of said matter, it would appear to the observer as a form of creation. or what was,, has become, or been transformed, into some thing different, or a new creation, by an alteration of matter from a previous state of existence to it's present state. yet in reality is has only been changed to another form. so all matter has existed for ever and always will..</p><p></p><p>as yet I have not been able to find even one instance of that happening all by it's self, it can and has only happened by force. some one or thing has to act through the application of force to make it happen. </p><p></p><p>that being said, we as humans have no concept of forever,, our peanut brain is boggled by the very idea.</p><p></p><p>so to say that the known state of any matter was or could be created from nothing is really going to be a hard sell..</p><p>even pure energy or thought if you please,, is still a form of matter..</p><p></p><p>I have considered the spiral appearance of the known vers. and it would seem that like a cup of tea, it is being or has been stirred up by an unseen or here to for undetected force causing the random collisions of heavenly body's resulting in all manor of galactic transformations...</p><p></p><p>to explain the existence of man is quite another matter altogether. the complex design of the body can not be the result of random mutations of matter. that just dose not happen with out the application of an outside force.</p><p>some form of intelligent being took a measure of matter and rearranged the atoms into us.</p><p></p><p>with that conclusion being reached to then say that, the force what ever you wish to call it that rearranged it would not be concerned with, or in constant observation of it seems very unlikely to me.</p><p></p><p>what the hell did I just say,,,, do any of that gibberish make any sense at all???</p><p></p><p>oh well,, that's just my 2 cents, or if you prefer the opinion / ponderings of a wildman who had a couple beers and stared at the night sky saying wtf is going on here..</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kcwildman, post: 146854, member: 1046"] we must take one observable fact into the mix,, that all matter/anti-matter can not be created or destroyed. but rather only transformed from one state to another. so by anyone observing the resulting magical transformation of said matter, it would appear to the observer as a form of creation. or what was,, has become, or been transformed, into some thing different, or a new creation, by an alteration of matter from a previous state of existence to it's present state. yet in reality is has only been changed to another form. so all matter has existed for ever and always will.. as yet I have not been able to find even one instance of that happening all by it's self, it can and has only happened by force. some one or thing has to act through the application of force to make it happen. that being said, we as humans have no concept of forever,, our peanut brain is boggled by the very idea. so to say that the known state of any matter was or could be created from nothing is really going to be a hard sell.. even pure energy or thought if you please,, is still a form of matter.. I have considered the spiral appearance of the known vers. and it would seem that like a cup of tea, it is being or has been stirred up by an unseen or here to for undetected force causing the random collisions of heavenly body's resulting in all manor of galactic transformations... to explain the existence of man is quite another matter altogether. the complex design of the body can not be the result of random mutations of matter. that just dose not happen with out the application of an outside force. some form of intelligent being took a measure of matter and rearranged the atoms into us. with that conclusion being reached to then say that, the force what ever you wish to call it that rearranged it would not be concerned with, or in constant observation of it seems very unlikely to me. what the hell did I just say,,,, do any of that gibberish make any sense at all??? oh well,, that's just my 2 cents, or if you prefer the opinion / ponderings of a wildman who had a couple beers and stared at the night sky saying wtf is going on here.. [/QUOTE]
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