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Who Perpetrated the John Titor Hoax?
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<blockquote data-quote="Peregrini" data-source="post: 53396" data-attributes="member: 2670"><p>Well then, Let us compare;</p><p>My definition from Dictionary.com</p><p>Fact noun</p><p>1. <span style="color: #ff9900">something that actually exists</span>; <span style="color: #ff9900">reality</span>; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.</p><p>2.something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.</p><p>3.a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.</p><p>4.something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.</p><p> </p><p>Your definition from Black's Law Dictionary (Webster doesn't quite cut it)</p><p>A FACT: <span style="color: #ff9900">Something that actually exists; an aspect of reality</span> <it is a fact that all people are mortal></p><p>Hmm These look the same.</p><p> </p><p>My definition (same source)</p><p><span style="color: #ff9900">proof</span> noun</p><p>1. <span style="color: #ff9900">evidence</span> sufficient to establish a thing as true, or<span style="color: #ff9900"> to produce belief in its truth</span>.</p><p>2. anything serving as such <span style="color: #ff9900">evidence</span>: What proof do you have?</p><p>3. the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.</p><p>4. the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration</p><p><span style="color: #ff9900">proof</span></p><p>1. <span style="color: #ff9900">any evidence that establishes or helps to establish the truth</span>, validity, quality, etc, of something</p><p> </p><p>Your definition (same source)</p><p><span style="color: #ff9900">Proof</span>: The <span style="color: #ff9900">establishment or refutation of an alleged fact by evidence</span>; the persuasive effect of evidence in the mind of a fact-finder.</p><p>Hmm These look the same.</p><p> </p><p>My definition (same source)</p><p><span style="color: #ff9900">evidence</span></p><p>1. ground for belief or disbelief; <span style="color: #ff9900">data on which to base proof</span> or to establish truth or falsehood</p><p> </p><p>Your definition (same source)</p><p><span style="color: #ff9900">Evidence</span>: <span style="color: #ff9900">Something</span> (including testimony, documents and tangible objects) <span style="color: #ff9900">that tends to prove or disprove the existence of an alleged fact</span> <the bloody glove is the key piece of evidence for the prosecution></p><p>-note, the glove is not PROOF according to Black's. It is evidence.</p><p>Hmm These look the same too.</p><p> </p><p>I have highlighted the pertinent parts for you.</p><p>Now, read this slowly. Maybe it will sink in this time.</p><p><span style="color: #ff9900">Evidence is used to establish proof</span>. <span style="color: #ff9900">If proof is established, the concept in question can progress to a fact</span>. This pretty much says exactly what your Black's Law Dictionary states, just above.</p><p> </p><p>You still need to look up assumption.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Are these not "your" words? You said "assuming". You make the assumption, not I.</p><p> </p><p>Regarding the circumstantial evidence, I am saying that your evidence is circumstantial, not direct observation. While it is admissible in court, any prosecutor will tell you he would rather have some hard evidence, while defense attorney will happily try to take it apart piece by piece. This, as you stated, is why you won't post your evidence here for review. ( will you call this an assumption too?)</p><p> </p><p>A class in Logic would serve you well. Do you have a Community College close by you?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Peregrini, post: 53396, member: 2670"] Well then, Let us compare; My definition from Dictionary.com Fact noun 1. [COLOR=#ff9900]something that actually exists[/COLOR]; [COLOR=#ff9900]reality[/COLOR]; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact. 2.something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact. 3.a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth. 4.something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable. Your definition from Black's Law Dictionary (Webster doesn't quite cut it) A FACT: [COLOR=#ff9900]Something that actually exists; an aspect of reality[/COLOR] <it is a fact that all people are mortal> Hmm These look the same. My definition (same source) [COLOR=#ff9900]proof[/COLOR] noun 1. [COLOR=#ff9900]evidence[/COLOR] sufficient to establish a thing as true, or[COLOR=#ff9900] to produce belief in its truth[/COLOR]. 2. anything serving as such [COLOR=#ff9900]evidence[/COLOR]: What proof do you have? 3. the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof. 4. the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration [COLOR=#ff9900]proof[/COLOR] 1. [COLOR=#ff9900]any evidence that establishes or helps to establish the truth[/COLOR], validity, quality, etc, of something Your definition (same source) [COLOR=#ff9900]Proof[/COLOR]: The [COLOR=#ff9900]establishment or refutation of an alleged fact by evidence[/COLOR]; the persuasive effect of evidence in the mind of a fact-finder. Hmm These look the same. My definition (same source) [COLOR=#ff9900]evidence[/COLOR] 1. ground for belief or disbelief; [COLOR=#ff9900]data on which to base proof[/COLOR] or to establish truth or falsehood Your definition (same source) [COLOR=#ff9900]Evidence[/COLOR]: [COLOR=#ff9900]Something[/COLOR] (including testimony, documents and tangible objects) [COLOR=#ff9900]that tends to prove or disprove the existence of an alleged fact[/COLOR] <the bloody glove is the key piece of evidence for the prosecution> -note, the glove is not PROOF according to Black's. It is evidence. Hmm These look the same too. I have highlighted the pertinent parts for you. Now, read this slowly. Maybe it will sink in this time. [COLOR=#ff9900]Evidence is used to establish proof[/COLOR]. [COLOR=#ff9900]If proof is established, the concept in question can progress to a fact[/COLOR]. This pretty much says exactly what your Black's Law Dictionary states, just above. You still need to look up assumption. Are these not "your" words? You said "assuming". You make the assumption, not I. Regarding the circumstantial evidence, I am saying that your evidence is circumstantial, not direct observation. While it is admissible in court, any prosecutor will tell you he would rather have some hard evidence, while defense attorney will happily try to take it apart piece by piece. This, as you stated, is why you won't post your evidence here for review. ( will you call this an assumption too?) A class in Logic would serve you well. Do you have a Community College close by you? [/QUOTE]
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