Will this lead to John Titor's forecast that Japan was "forcefully annexed" before N Day?

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Gun control isn't the problem, and China knows it. The people in China have no guns, and yet there have been repeated incidents lately of men going on rampages stabbing multiple children in elementary schools. It's been happening a LOT. It also happened the same day of the shootings in Connecticut. 22 kids, 1 adult hurt in China school knife attack

Chinese government is communist and would love to disarm Americans so we will be defenseless when they invade our soil.
 

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As you know, I am in Tokyo. Asia from where I am looks to be shaping up like this.
North Korea is going to be modernizing and becoming freer.
A push for reunification of Korea will happen within the young leader's life time.
China doesn't know it has a western resource goldmine but it will find out soon.
Japan is militarising now as the U.S. becomes poorer and less interested in being a balancing force here.
John said that China forces Korea and Japan to join them.
I don't agree with that interpretation. More like Korea and Japan wilfully become states of Asia along with China as China becomes freer and safer as well.
 

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Originally posted on another thread by Liberty. Full article below:

As Dispute Over Islands Escalates, Japan and China Send Fighter Jets to the Scene

January 18, 2013 - BEIJING — The action in the skies over the East China Sea started simply enough.

Last week, the Chinese government sent a civilian surveillance plane, a twin propeller aircraft, to fly near the uninhabited islands at the heart of a growing feud between China and Japan. Tokyo, in response, ordered F-15 fighter jets to take a look at what it considered Chinese meddling. The Chinese then sent their own fighters.

It was the first time that supersonic Chinese and Japanese military fighters were in the air together since the dispute over the islands erupted last year, significantly increasing the risk of a mistake that could lead to armed conflict at a time when both countries, despite their mutual economic interests, are going through a period of heightened nationalism that recalls their longstanding regional rivalry.

The escalation comes amid a blast of belligerent discourse in China and as the Obama administration has delayed a visit to Washington requested by Shinzo Abe, the new prime minister of Japan, the United States’ main ally in Asia. After the rebuff, Mr. Abe announced that he would embark on a tour of Southeast Asia intended to counter China’s influence in the region. On Friday, however, he cut short the trip to return to Tokyo to deal with the crisis in Algeria over the hostage-taking.

What began as a seemingly minor dispute is quickly turning into a gathering storm, military analysts and Western diplomatic officials warn, as each country appears determined to force the other to give ground.

“What is really driving things is raw nationalism and fragmented political systems, both on the Japanese and even more so the Chinese sides, that is preventing smart people from making rational decisions,” said Thomas Berger, an associate professor of international relations at Boston University. “No Chinese or Japanese leader wants or can afford to be accused of selling out their country.”

The backdrop for the dispute is the changing military and economic dynamic in the region. In Japan, which rose from utter defeat in World War II to become a prosperous global economic power, many experts talk of a nation preparing for an “elegant” decline. But Mr. Abe has made clear that he does not subscribe to that idea and hopes to stake out a tough posture on the islands as a way of engineering a Japanese comeback.

In contrast, Beijing brims with confidence, reveling in the belief that the 21st century belongs to China — with the return of the islands the Chinese call the Diaoyu and the Japanese refer to as the Senkaku as a starting point.

Though Japan is far richer than China on a per-person basis, its economy has been stagnant for years and contracted once again in the second half of 2012. It was hit hard by a slowdown in exports to China after the island dispute erupted in August; Chinese protesters disrupted Japanese plants in China and boycotted Japanese products during the autumn. The value of Japanese exports to China fell by 17 percent between June and November, the World Bank said this week.

China’s fast-growing military still lags behind the Japanese Self-Defense Forces in sophistication of weaponry and training, but Japan’s edge is diminishing, according to Dr. Berger, an expert on the Japanese military, and other Western defense analysts.

For now the Chinese military wants to avoid armed conflict over the islands, Dr. Berger said, but its longer-term goal is to pressure Japan to give up its administration of the islands. That would give China a break in what is known in China as the “first island chain,” a string including the Diaoyu, that prevents China’s growing ballistic submarine fleet from having unobserved access to the Pacific Ocean. Taiwan is part of the “first island chain,” as are smaller islands controlled by Vietnam and the Philippines.

“The Chinese leadership seems to think that the cards are in their favor, and if they push long and hard enough, the Japanese have to cave,” Dr. Berger said.

A senior American military official said that Washington considered China’s decision to send its fighter jets in response to Japan’s to be “imprudent” but not a violation of international law. The Chinese jets had entered what is known as Japan’s Air Defense Identity Zone, but had not infringed Japan’s airspace, the official said.

The United States was watching closely and advising restraint on both sides, because there is no established method of communication — or hot line — between Japan and China that can be used in the event of a confrontation. With jet fighters from both countries aloft last week, “the potential for mistakes that could have broader consequences” was vastly increased, the official said.

The Chinese state-run news media have stepped up their hawkish tone since the episode. On Mr. Abe’s trip to Southeast Asia, which the Chinese say is intended to create a pro-Japan alliance, the overseas edition of The People’s Daily newspaper said, “Even the United States, the world’s sole superpower, acknowledged that it cannot encircle and contain China, so why should Japan?”

Chinese experts express similar views. In an interview, Hu Lingyuan, the deputy director of the Center for Japanese Studies at Fudan University in Shanghai, described Mr. Abe as a Japanese nationalist who was trying to overextend Japan’s reach. “The Diaoyu conflict keeps escalating,” he said. “A solution is not possible.” And as the commentary became harsher, the Chinese news media stressed reports of training by the military’s East China Sea units. Dozens of J-10 fighter jets participated in a live ammunition drill with the Navy’s East China Sea Fleet, the state run news agency, Xinhua, reported Thursday.

Before returning to Japan, Mr. Abe spoke to reporters in Jakarta, Indonesia. He said he opposed “changing the status quo by force,” and called on China to behave in a responsible manner.

“The seas is a public asset that should not be governed by force but by rule of law that keeps it freely open to all,” he said. “We will work with Asean nations to do our utmost to defend this.” Asean refers to the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

With a top United States diplomat, Kurt M. Campbell, in Tokyo this week, Washington is urging both sides to open a dialogue.

But the initial signs are not particularly promising. On Thursday, a former Japanese prime minister, Yukio Hatoyama of the opposition Democratic Party, met in Beijing with Jia Qinglin, the chairman of the National Committee of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference.

The setting looked conciliatory. China, however, used the occasion to make a point that was immediately rejected in Tokyo. Mr. Jia called for talks with Japan over the disputed islands, an idea that Japan has always said was unacceptable. Japanese governments have consistently maintained that the islands rightfully belong to Japan and that there is nothing to discuss.
 

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As you know, I am in Tokyo. Asia from where I am looks to be shaping up like this.
North Korea is going to be modernizing and becoming freer.
A push for reunification of Korea will happen within the young leader's life time.
China doesn't know it has a western resource goldmine but it will find out soon.
Japan is militarising now as the U.S. becomes poorer and less interested in being a balancing force here.
John said that China forces Korea and Japan to join them.
I don't agree with that interpretation. More like Korea and Japan wilfully become states of Asia along with China as China becomes freer and safer as well.

Sometimes! I wonder about you Ren!
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Ren

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"Sometimes! I wonder about you Ren!"

Sometimes I wonder what I'm doing. But then things mostly work out.
 

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China colonel raises nuclear spectre

Titor told us the result of this!

We are at that moment in time. To state that John Titor was a legitimate time traveler!



Originally posted by Liberty on the thread John Titor 2013 : The Awakening

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Liu Mingfu
China colonel raises nuclear spectre

January 23, 2013 - A CHINESE military officer has raised the spectre of nuclear weapons and warned Australia not to side with the United States and Japan as a territorial dispute in the East China Sea continues to escalate.

Senior Colonel Liu Mingfu, of the National Defence University, blamed America's ''orchestration'' and Japan's ''militarism'' for rising tensions over disputed islands known as the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyu in China.

''America is the global tiger and Japan is Asia's wolf and both are now madly biting China,'' Colonel Liu said. ''Of all the animals, Chinese people hate the wolf the most.''

China was a peaceful nation but it would fight to the death if seriously attacked, he said.

Both sides and the US have in recent days traded strident warnings over alleged territorial incursions, while holding out hopes of a diplomatic breakthrough. Diplomats privately warn of a growing risk of accident or miscalculation.

Asked about the People's Liberation Army fighting capability, Colonel Liu referred to the PLA department that houses China's strategic missile and nuclear arsenal.

He raised a hypothetical scenario that he said would justify a nuclear attack, while clarifying that he was not calling upon China to take such measures.

''If this Japanese wolf again attacks America's Pearl Harbour or Australia's Darwin, how do you know it wouldn't receive another nuclear bomb?'' Colonel Liu said. ''The world would hail if Japan receives such a blow.

''I don't want to mention China here, as it is sensitive,'' he added.

Colonel Liu is one of a group of outspoken hawkish PLA officers who do not claim to speak on behalf of the leadership but are given licence to speak stridently on some issues.

Foreign diplomats say they can serve to provide unofficial warnings, test foreign reactions and rally nationalistic support for the Communist Party or sections of it.

Colonel Liu directly warned Australia not to follow the US or Japan into any military conflict with China.

He said Australia should play the role of a ''kind-hearted lamb'' and China would discourage it from being led astray.

''Australia should never play the jackal for the tiger or dance with the wolf,'' he said.

Colonel Liu asked that his message be conveyed directly to the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, as she prepares to deliver a major speech on national security. Like her predecessors, Ms Gillard has maintained that Australia will not have to choose between its economic and security interests.

''American hegemony is not at its dawn and not at its zenith,'' Colonel Liu said. ''It is at its sunset and night is coming.''

A consultant to the Pentagon and author of The Rise of China Versus The Logic of Strategy, Edward Luttwak, said China was ''grossly overestimating'' its military capability and underestimating the regional response.

He said deep geopolitical forces were at work that could be managed but not reversed.

''Militant nationalism is the only possible substitute for ex-communists who seek to retain power,'' Mr Luttwak said.

''And for the US, its entire political culture mandates the containment of China's new territorial revisionism.''

In separate written comments Colonel Liu said the US was building ''a mini-NATO'' to contain China, with the US and Japan at its core and Australia within its orbit.
 

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Referencing the article in Post #46 above that states, "A CHINESE military officer has raised the spectre of nuclear weapons and warned Australia not to side with the United States and Japan as a territorial dispute in the East China Sea continues to escalate..." here is what John Titor said about Australia:

JOHN TITOR: "Australia is sort of interesting in what is unknown. After the war, they were not very cooperative or friendly (can't blame them really). It is known they did repulse a Chinese invasion and most of their cities were hit. They have a trading relationship with the U.S. but I would characterize them as reclusive and ticked off."
 

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China is a bit unstable and a little crazy right now. They have enjoyed economic growth on their slave labor. They had 200 billionaires 5 years ago but that number has dwindled to 100. The remaining billionaires are now investing in robots that do some of the assembly work which displace workers and plummet the Chinese economy. They have always had difficulty keeping western China employed and when people don't have jobs, they riot. You can give them all the welfare they need to stay at home and be quiet. They still riot. It is because they have nothing to do and they have no purpose. The government needs a distraction for the people of their country so that news and discontent is shifted on a scape goat. This is why those islands are being disputed. This is why military action and military expansion is being considered. We live in a very dangerous situation -- a situation that the Japanese are ignoring. Television news does not report how aggressive the Chinese are getting. Some of the Japanese men know because they read international news. But most people have no idea.

As it stands now, China wouldn't need to use nukes. They could just send a massive force of single Chinese men across the border into North Korea first. If the U.S. were to become poorer than it is now, which is likely, they'll start to remove their bases from South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan. If that should happen, China would just occupy everything. If the U.S. doesn't leave, then nukes would be volleyed from Taiwan, South Korea and the Sea of Japan. There would be nothing left of China, Korea and many U.S. cities. The entire world would be radiated. There would be few survivors.

So if you see news of U.S. bases leaving Asia, that is when a Chinese occupation might take place.
 

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