Did a Past Earth Civilization Have the Ability to travel to Other Stars?

Wtcthsky

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Did a Past Earth Civilization Have the Ability to travel to Other Stars?

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darkbreed

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Re: Did a Past Earth Civilization Have the Ability to travel to Other Stars?

hehe I like this kinda stuff. This thread seems to belong in Alternate History section, and you might also enjoy the thread I have allready started there called Ancient Knowledge.
 

gl100

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Re: Did a Past Earth Civilization Have the Ability to travel to Other Stars?

Wasn't the Dogon/Sirius mystery disproven a few years back by an anthropologist who had lived with them in Mali? I seem to recall reading that somewhere.
 

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Re: Did a Past Earth Civilization Have the Ability to travel to Other Stars?

As far as I know, the account has not been disproven, but if you could find a reference for me I'd be very interested.
 

Wtcthsky

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Re: Did a Past Earth Civilization Have the Ability to travel to Other Stars?

Darkbreed, I saw your string before and almost posted there, but I thought time travel was a little far from my approach for me to fit in. I admit it is a possiblility the deserves consideration, but all we can do is speculate at this time anyway so I guess almost any any supposition is valid.Who know's maybe we're both wrong and Temple is right.
I appreciate your approach and you offer to check out your string, but for right now I'd like to explore my approach for a while.
 

gl100

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Wtchsky,

This isn't the actual article I remember but the gist is the same.

http://www.philipcoppens.com/dogonshame.html

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]But it seems that Griaule, a scientist, ? ? ? ? ? ?wanted to attribute to earlier civilisations more knowledge than they ? ? ? ? ? ?actually possessed. Credulous scholars, like Young and Temple, were ? ? ? ? ? ?taken in and, through them a whole generation has swallowed the false ? ? ? ? ? ?mythology of aliens from ?the Dark Sirius Companion.?[/font]
 

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Re: Did a Past Earth Civilization Have the Ability to travel to Other Stars?

Moved to the appropriate forum :)
 

ironside100

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If they where that advanced surely they would have had satillites in orbit around the earth, some would of survived unless they where all destroyed in space by the collision.

Have they not also dated the moon from radio isotopes of the rocks gained from the Apollo missions? I think they gave the age of the moon as 4.52 million years old so that puts it practically at the same time when the earth was form which would make it impossible for life to form before that as the conditions where so hostile on earth.

There is also a good record of climate changes for the past several million years I know it doesnt cover all of Earth history but Deep sea drilling and ice core drilling has given us a steady record of climate shifts. If civilisation grew on earth before the Holocene 10,000 years ago, then wouldnt the use of agriculture on a large scale and then later industrialisation have an effect on the climate?

Also an early cvilisation would also have to avoided several ice ages. New research also shows that the earth in its past has been covered completely by ice from pole to equator on several occassions. So these other people would have to avoid being frozen to death, but who knows maybe they became advanced enough to avoid this peril?
 

thenumbersix

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nice theory, the oldest known records found are about 160,000 years so far but still leaves room for this to happen. We could have been evolving alongside an already intelligent species as we are to the Ape World now.

Agree with the moon age, they are leaning toward it being there from the forming of Earth or very shortly after. What of Mars, do you think life may have evolved there too ?

Satellites probably wouldn't last too long if nothing happened, don't they have to make automatic adjustments now and again, i bet most of them would crash to Earth within a 100 years tops. They'll be made like our cars are now, to wear out in a couple of years !

An advanced species is less likely to leave a lasting impact as it will need to learn to live in harmony with it's environment to survive, finding massive amounts of long term waste may be difficult in even 50 or 100 years, let alone another half a billion. Sooner or later nature will fight back against us, and we will be the losers, of that I have no doubt at all.


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Re: Did a Past Earth Civilization Have the Ability to travel to Other Stars?

I read someplace that the "Dinosauroid" Stenonychosaurus was fairly intelligent with a semi-opposable thumb. Some scientists even speculate that they may have been able to use primitive weapons similar to that of early Homo-Sapiens. Who knows what may have happened had they not gone extinct?

http://www.subversiveelement.com/Aliens_Di...nosauroids.html

Ice Ages have happened often but glaciers rarely exceed the 30th N & S parallels. There is however evidence that glaciers have been present on present day equatorial land masses. That is due to continental drift, those land masses used to either be above the 30th North parallel or below the 30th South parallel. Therefore I do beleive that it is possible for other civilizations to have emmerged and thrived. Evidence of ancient cilvilizations may be buried by 1000's of metres of overburden and possibly even metamorphosed under the weight of overlain strata.


Incidently, recent evidence suggests that global warming may help to accelerate ice ages. I live in Northern Ontario, it's pretty cold here anyways, but year round winter would suck :unsure: .
 

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When it comes to my theories, I don't stick just to the time-travel possibility of interference in ancient times, but I also see the possibility of alien interference, as well as simply unknown advanced civilizations that had noting to do with neither aliens or time-travelers. For all I know, it could be a combination of all three. At the moment I put my finger at the lost civilizations theory until I see more proofs towards other things
 

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This paper by prof. Paul Hoffman has some good evidence that the earth was covered from pole to equator on more than one occasions.

http://www.eps.harvard.edu/people/faculty/...ball_paper.html

You might think they would leave some trace of previous life. If single celled organisms can leave evidence in rocks from 3 billion years ago then you would expect a civilisation that has expanded across the globe to leave even one piece of evidence, We have fossils for practically the entire hisory of the earth, except for the first 1billion years.

As for Mars I admit it is possible for life to flourish there in the early years of the solar system. However Mars does not have the molten Iron interior that is required to allow plate tectonics to occur. On earth atleast plate tectonics is vital in the preservation of life as it cycles carbon which is needed to maintain earths temperature. I think Mars once had a molten core when it formed but lost it later on because it was not big enough to maintain it. I dont know how long mars had its molten core, was it long enough for a complex civilisation to form?
 

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gl100- Thanks! the article is very interesting, and I will certainly look into it deeper. However, idea of us haing been visited by Sirians rests not only with the Dogan, but also the Chaldeans and the Chinese and very possibly through the Greeks as well. There's still enough evidence to support the possibility that the visitation itself actually happened. But my premise is concerning what originally brought them here.

Ironside 100- thanks to you also. I am certainly not even an ameteur geologist
(although by the end of this search Imay be..) I believe that we date rocks by the strata that we find them in as well as isotope aging. We would have no point of reference on moon rocks. And, if isotope dating has to do with the radiation put out by the material being tested and it's half-life, then it would seem to me that what you would get would be the age of the actual material, not the structure it finds itself. So, most anything in our area of space not found in a verifiable strata would appear to be around 4.5 million years old.

thenumbersix- thanks to you, also. I agree fullly with you view on satellites. Even the difference in size alone between the satellite and the Earth would mean that eventually they would reenter. And the liklihood of finding remains would of any satellites would diminish with time. An since we are talking no earlier than 10,000 years ago we don't have much of a chance of finding anything. Even so, if that civilization had been 20 or 40,000 years old and we found something, would we be able to recognize it for what it is?
Concerning life on Mars- that's an interesting question. Now that I consider it I wonder if there was a long enough period on Mars to support advanced life. We won't know for sure until we go there. However, if it tiurns out that there are ruins on Mars and the Moon, could it be that they belong to the last great civilization from their own exploration and expansion of their technology? Both bodies seem to be more geolgically stable than the Earth, so it would make sense that ruins would last longer in either location.

WTF- Very interesting thoughts about the possibility of intelligent dinosaurs. I hadn't thought about that possibility, but I'll certainly check out the URLs you posted.

Thanks Everyone!
 

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There's some interesting Mars photos at www.marsanomalyresearch.com
Check The Evidence button up on the menu for various categories. There's some really interesting pics there, but also some rather speculative comments by the author
 

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There is some more evidence that the moon was made early in earths history as Palaeointensity data concerning the ancient lunar magnetic field, the centre of gravity centre of figure offset and other physical signs indicate a core formation about 4.1 billon years ago.

There is also the large amounts of impact craters on the moon indicating that the moon was around during the early solar system.
 
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