Divine retribution and unconditional love. Can only one attribute be real?

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Divine retribution and unconditional love. Can only one attribute be real?

In the beginning, before creation, we are told, there was only Yahweh.

Yahweh, perfect in all attributes, then created a perfect universe, even though scriptures only call creation good, thanks to lack of faith or understanding of reality.

We are told that god loves all he created unconditionally, including us.

We are also told that the vast majority of us will end in the purposeless tortures of hell and death.

That is divine retribution from god against those who we think imperfect sinners.

A god who loves all of creation unconditionally, due to being created perfect, as a perfect god would create, would not torture and kill his perfect souls.

Either there is no divine retribution, or there is no unconditional love. Unconditional love would overshadow ant divine retribution.

Divine retribution and unconditional love cannot both exist together in god, unless unconditional love can torture and kill what it loves, which is counter intuitive.

Can you solve this little conundrum?

Regards

DL
 
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Gnostic Christian said:
Divine retribution and unconditional love. Can only one attribute be real?

In the beginning, before creation, we are told, there was only Yahweh.

Yahweh, perfect in all attributes, then created a perfect universe, even though scriptures only call creation good, thanks to lack of faith or understanding of reality.

We are told that god loves all he created unconditionally, including us.

We are also told that the vast majority of us will end in the purposeless tortures of hell and death.

That is divine retribution from god against those who we think imperfect sinners.

A god who loves all of creation unconditionally, due to being created perfect, as a perfect god would create, would not torture and kill his perfect souls.

Either there is no divine retribution, or there is no unconditional love. Unconditional love would overshadow ant divine retribution.

Divine retribution and unconditional love cannot both exist together in god, unless unconditional love can torture and kill what it loves, which is counter intuitive.

Can you solve this little conundrum?

Regards

DL
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No, can you?

Please give an answer to what YOU think the actual answer is
then, someone may (or may not) actually agree, disagree or agree to disagree.

My father was Atheist.
My mum was raised Catholic then Protestant after her mum passed.

She raised us children to accept other belief systems for what they are, doesn't mean they all have to be agreed with.

Therefore, there is a lot less bloodshed and profanity. (Basically war)

I keep most opinions to myself...unless, I am openly attacked.

So, given your own question, what is your one good answer?

I may or may not reply any further...my decision.
So, do it for others whom may read your threads.

For those whom do not know what 'Gnostic Christianity ' is,
here is a link that may (or may not help).

Gnostic Christianity

Gnostic Christianity - What does the Bible say about Gnostic Christianity? Is this religion really close to Christianity or are there major differences?
www.allaboutreligion.org

Peace.
:)
 

Mayhem

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@Wind7 classic case of entrapment to try and prove your wrong, instead of giving the opinion straight up for discussion. Wants to roll the narrative.
 

Gnostic Christian

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Wind7 said:
No, can you?

Please give an answer to what YOU think the actual answer is
then, someone may (or may not) actually agree, disagree or agree to disagree.

My father was Atheist.
My mum was raised Catholic then Protestant after her mum passed.

She raised us children to accept other belief systems for what they are, doesn't mean they all have to be agreed with.

Therefore, there is a lot less bloodshed and profanity. (Basically war)

I keep most opinions to myself...unless, I am openly attacked.

So, given your own question, what is your one good answer?

I may or may not reply any further...my decision.
So, do it for others whom may read your threads.

For those whom do not know what 'Gnostic Christianity ' is,
here is a link that may (or may not help).

Gnostic Christianity

Gnostic Christianity - What does the Bible say about Gnostic Christianity? Is this religion really close to Christianity or are there major differences?
www.allaboutreligion.org

Peace.
:)
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There is a lot of garbage in that link.

You might want to remember that the history was written by the inquisitors who murdered the old Gnostic Christians.

That link mixes our beliefs and our myths that we do not read literally.

Best to ask a modern Gnostic Christian if you have a question instead of using what the inquisitors said to try to justify their many murders and inquisitions.

My bottom line is that there is no such thing as unconditional love.

Regards
DL
 

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