does free will exist?

do you think free will exists?

  • yes

    Votes: 4 80.0%
  • no

    Votes: 1 20.0%

  • Total voters
    5

dimension-1hacker

Active Member
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There are only 3 possible ways your action can originate:

1) When you have reasons for your action - then the action is the result of those reasons.

2) When you don't have reasons for your action - then the action is unintentional.

3) Your action can be the result of a combination of 1) and 2).

None of those possibilities allow for free will because you are always compelled to your action and never in control of your action.

1. Free will is an illusion.
Everything is set because everything interacts in certain way; for proof, if something did not it wouldn't be interacting with anything. The ways something interacts is not changeable because is somethings properties cannot change it can't, and if something can its its property to be able to being the effect of a cause. The amount of directions exist, limits the amount of ways something can interact with something else and cause that object to move in a different direction. Therefore, everything has a prior cause which causes the present causes to occur, hence everything is set based off the prior causes.

randomness does not exist because everything needs a cause, because without a cause nothing is causing x to occur. Without that there is no reason for x to occur without the cause to occur before x.

2.
The result of the complex decision you made was caused by something else because nothing occurs without the cause. Cause and effect are deterministic because one specifically causes another, or the differences between each cause allow cause the causes to cause specific different effects; the way the causes are cannot be changed unless that is the way the cause is.

People can conceptualize free will not because they experienced it but because the concept is a combination of emotions and logical process's that combined somehow are defined as the opposite of determinism in a way that can be conceptualized. Before I determined everything is predetermined I thought that way, but do not know weather others have that definition of just do not understand the concept.
Everything has a value and something that does not have a value is a type of value. You could call a free will which is randomness a value, but everything has a cause. Something is caused has a specific effect, and cannot be caused by randomness because a cause is causing the randomness to cause it and so on in an infinite conceptual loop, leaving no end what can never change.
 

dimension-1hacker

Active Member
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stop what? I asked a question and provided proof that in my opinion prove free will does not exist, are you suggesting these things "shouldn't be thought about"? This is a forum where people who do not follow the herd debate, gather information, and ask questions.
 

Einstein

Temporal Engineer
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Free will is what is left after our all seeing and all knowing abilities were stripped from us.
 

JahaRa

Junior Member
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Is this another religious thread? Everyone has choices, any time you change your mind about something you change what you choose. That is free will. How you think colors your choices and you can always change how you think.
 

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