Help building a divergence meter?

Apri1

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Fortunately, I've already got a basis for what time is and how it operates. The issue then is building machines that deal with the topic.
 

paradox404

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Right. The "reading;steiner" is very similar to the method I'm using to test. No time machine yet, but hopefully this is the first step to building one. Not sure what you mean by a "singularity". Could you detail a bit? Is this something I could do in my home?




This is just to make a toy based on the meter in the show. My goal is to build an actual divergence meter that can measure which timeline one is in. But it would indeed be cool to build a physical nixie tube display for it.

The divergence meter in stiens;gate and the divergence numbers titor use are a numerical readout of the relative divergence in 5th dimensional space (We occupy the 4th dimension.) I know the similar ability you're talking about, I have it and I can tell you the last time mine kicked in was just before the presidential elections.

As for the Singularity. I'm referring to a black hole. I dunno if one could build one at home, it's theoretically possible but I doubt it will happen soon though. My warp drive theroy relies on two of them and said drive could be used as a time machine. Rest assured I will try to find out a way to make that technology lol.

Fortunately, I've already got a basis for what time is and how it operates. The issue then is building machines that deal with the topic.

Time doesn't exist, it's merely another dimension of space. Without causality you could travel in either direction if you know how to. In practice the irony is that traveling to alternate realities is more feasible.

I've been toying with certain designs of a drive capable of ftl/time travel however it's far from complete and is still in the early design stages.
 
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Apri1

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The divergence meter in stiens;gate and the divergence numbers titor use are a numerical readout of the relative divergence in 5th dimensional space (We occupy the 4th dimension.) I know the similar ability you're talking about, I have it and I can tell you the last time mine kicked in was just before the presidential elections.

Right. I know what a divergence meter is supposed to do lol. The problem is building one. As for the umm "ability", I've had a few more recently than that. Namely one in late January, and another more recently.


As for the Singularity. I'm referring to a black hole. I dunno if one could build one at home, it's theoretically possible but I doubt it will happen soon though. My warp drive theroy relies on two of them and said drive could be used as a time machine. Rest assured I will try to find out a way to make that technology lol.

Sounds interesting but implausible. Lots of claims of black holes and ftl travel but nothing comes of it.

Time doesn't exist, it's merely another dimension of space. Without causality you could travel in either direction if you know how to. In practice the irony is that traveling to alternate realities is more feasible.

Right. That's spacial time. Technically it's easy to go both ways. It's difficult to change direction. Gonna be honest, I don't have much hope for physical travel. Which pretty much excludes backwards travel entirely. I'm much more excited about my recent developments on meta time and travel along it for moving a qualia flow into an alternate timeline. This seems much more promising given that there are already experiments proposed for inter timeline communication. Very exciting stuff. Likewise my experiences demonstrate to me that this is a very possible avenue.
 

paradox404

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Right. I know what a divergence meter is supposed to do lol. The problem is building one. As for the umm "ability", I've had a few more recently than that. Namely one in late January, and another more recently.




Sounds interesting but implausible. Lots of claims of black holes and ftl travel but nothing comes of it.



Right. That's spacial time. Technically it's easy to go both ways. It's difficult to change direction. Gonna be honest, I don't have much hope for physical travel. Which pretty much excludes backwards travel entirely. I'm much more excited about my recent developments on meta time and travel along it for moving a qualia flow into an alternate timeline. This seems much more promising given that there are already experiments proposed for inter timeline communication. Very exciting stuff. Likewise my experiences demonstrate to me that this is a very possible avenue.

I used to get my "ability" to kick in a fair bit more often than it does now. The last time it engaged it was a particularly big "Jump". As far as I can tell I jumped from a timeline where Clinton got elected to this one. Haven't experienced it since although there may be reasons for it. May not need to use it or whatever mental energy that makes it work, I could of depleted it.

I do recall a wide variety of changes between what you could call my "original" timeline. Based on my current understanding of events before I got my "ability", I can assume that it was a dystopian world that eventually invented time travel as a last resort.

Never used meta time travel devices myself. While I'm sceptical that they work I would be interested to try one.

The only way time travel is feasible backwards is using alternate timelines. Even if you could get a 0% divergence you'd still fork the timeline as soon as you land. This applies to both Physical and mental time travel. To put it simply you're introducing a foreign influence to an established chain of events, this making it unique from the original timelines.

As for blackholes, nobody has really tried making any. Cern hasn't really tried, and most people don't have access to the technology needed to make them. Until singularities are made the possibility can't be ruled out.
 

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Please do keep in mind that my current goal isn't to build a time machine that can go backwards/forwards, but rather being able to switch between alternate timelines. I'm not sure why figuring out things related to anti-symmetry and the direction of time would help figure out how to switch which probabilistic outcome is actualized.

It's long been suggested by science that anti-symmetry is the direct result of Times biased direction. So Time could be just mono-polar. If so then a symmetrical counterpart to Time would be necessary. It may not exist in our universe. But a framework of understanding could be developed to help define what Time actually is. But it's not hard to gather all the anti-symmetrical phenomena together as a body of knowledge that has a direct correlation with the direction of time. With that being said, I would fathom to say that this would be the necessary prerequisite to master first.

Since there is more than just one set of anti-symmetrical phenomena, I think it would be safe to say that there is probably more than one path through time. It would be these multiple paths that would need to be mapped out. Then maybe we could start to think about divergence.
 

Apri1

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It's long been suggested by science that anti-symmetry is the direct result of Times biased direction. So Time could be just mono-polar. If so then a symmetrical counterpart to Time would be necessary. It may not exist in our universe. But a framework of understanding could be developed to help define what Time actually is. But it's not hard to gather all the anti-symmetrical phenomena together as a body of knowledge that has a direct correlation with the direction of time. With that being said, I would fathom to say that this would be the necessary prerequisite to master first.

Since there is more than just one set of anti-symmetrical phenomena, I think it would be safe to say that there is probably more than one path through time. It would be these multiple paths that would need to be mapped out. Then maybe we could start to think about divergence.

I'm gonna have to say, the way you're approaching this is entirely nonsensical to me. We already understand, to an extent, what time is. It's a location. And in order to go backwards in time requires, to be blunt, near-impossible or completely impossible scenarios to occur, and certainly not something I could do alone (or really anyone here). And as a result, it appears to be a losing battle. I legitimately doubt that that approach would yield any successful time travel within our lifetimes, merely due to the technological requirements.

Instead, the path I've mentioned appears to perhaps be the way to go. Dealing with QM is much more accessible (we already have people performing experiments), I already have related experiences, I'm starting to get a firm grasp on meta-time and the related travel. There's already very exciting progress in this area.

But yeah, I do think my first attempt was a very naive approach, which explains it's failure. More research is necessary to figure out the proper way to map and measure divergence. If it's even possible at all.
 

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in order to feel a divergence in the reality we live in , you need to be in tune with all that are here and now, the event that are predicted and vibe i can give you a good amount of time when the time line change and event that set it in motion, we are on the frequency , if you did not bound yourself to reality you can feel time, i am a specialist in reality i feel a lot of different event, if you want to join in there at tons of plans on time travel and my own ongoing, i think the best device would be the time camera , i say it multiple time , time is a frquency nothing more nothing less, a simple frequency we perceive, its explain on timenomore and i have said it so many time, science want us to believe other wise , phisicist are sworn to secretie not to reveal the truth
 

Apri1

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in order to feel a divergence in the reality we live in , you need to be in tune with all that are here and now, the event that are predicted and vibe i can give you a good amount of time when the time line change and event that set it in motion, we are on the frequency , if you did not bound yourself to reality you can feel time, i am a specialist in reality i feel a lot of different event, if you want to join in there at tons of plans on time travel and my own ongoing, i think the best device would be the time camera , i say it multiple time , time is a frquency nothing more nothing less, a simple frequency we perceive, its explain on timenomore and i have said it so many time, science want us to believe other wise , phisicist are sworn to secretie not to reveal the truth

This unfortunately appears to me to be complete nonsense. A "divergence in the reality we live in" isn't at all what I'm talking about. To be explicit, a divergence meter measures how much the timeline you are in diverges from some other timeline used as a reference. Without changing which line you are in, a divergence meter should always remain at a static value (namely 0 if it's referencing the same line you're in).

Predictions of the future are quite worthless unless you specify which probabilistic outcome you're talking about. Given there are infinitely many.

When you say "time is a frequency", what explicitly are you referring to? Spacial/physical time is a location/space, not something that moves through space. And meta time is an illusion based on memory and qualia flows. Neither of which appear to have anything to do with frequencies or the actual movement of things.

A "time camera" to me is absolutely worthless. I don't care to see into the past, and seeing into the future is pointless unless you can figure out which timeline you are looking at, and ensuring that is the line you will end up in. Which then comes back to my current project.

As for science and physicists, science is meant to be open, shared, and peer-reviewed. This is the very foundation of the field. I see no reason why one would hide knowledge, unless they hated and despised humanity.
 

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