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TheOrangeMan post Sep 20 2004, 03:21 PM
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You may have seen Paul and my discussion in the “Supply Checklist” thread… this is the resulting thread.

Paul thinks we should be talking about how we prevent the war instead of how we supply ourselves for survival. In a way a supply list is selfish to some degree, I am still a supporter of always being ready for anything. However he poses some interesting questions.

So the question has be posed. . . What can WE do to prevent the war(s)? More so what can we do besides vote?
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CaryP post Sep 20 2004, 03:46 PM
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What can WE do to prevent the war(s)? More so what can we do besides vote?

Dude, I'm so disgusted with the whole system I have no clue. With the masses complacently at the trough of consumerism, I don't know if you could wake enough people up to accomplish much with give about 200 million major wake up calls. Problem with that is you'd get a lot of people mad at you. You'd get the blame for pointing out the obvious to them.

So until the masses can wake up and take this country back by peaceful means, it aint gonna happen. If the masses take too long to wake up IMO, violence will be the only alternative left. The bigger question would be what is the best method to wake up the masses without making them mad so that appropriate action can be taken before we cross the point of no return.

Just my thoughts.

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StarLord post Sep 20 2004, 04:25 PM
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I am very sure thats what the whole titor thing is all about. Trying to wake people up to the facts before it is too late. Sad thing is as Cary points out, folks will not believe you untill they have fallen off of the cliff, *THEN* they will blame you for not telling them about something they didn't want to listen to in the beginning.

You can lead a horse to water....
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PyRo99 post Sep 20 2004, 04:56 PM
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You really can't do much. The world has already set itself up.

If your religious, praying? But, other than that, there isn't much more.
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Lonewolf post Sep 20 2004, 11:03 PM
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There is always the option that I try. Attempt to ask people questions that make them think. Make them think they are figuring things out on their own. I can't tell you the number of people that I got to look at the Sept. 11th info just by asking them, "Is jet fuel hot enough to melt industrial grade steel."
The more people exercise that 8 lbs of tissue between their ears the better off it will be.
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The_Ruffneck post Sep 20 2004, 11:20 PM
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i have the audio of united air flight 93 , one of the planes involved in 9/11 and the 'captain' talks to air traffic control i think accidentaly , i think he wanted to talk to passengers only....he says 'this is captain....i have the bomb on board' , stuff like that , look up 9/11 +conspiracies on google , thats how i found it

Proves that it wasn't only jet fuel , question i want to know is how many people were in on this thing?
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TheHeggy post Sep 20 2004, 11:48 PM
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To me it feels like the course is already set. It's like trying to get off the rollercoaster after it's started.

Even if we did manage to stop certain events from happening, would that erase all the scum that's in power? I think not. Things can only get worse before they can get better.
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Paul J. Lyon post Sep 21 2004, 10:30 AM
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QUOTE(TheOrangeMan @ Sep 20 2004, 09:21 PM)
You may have seen Paul and my discussion in the “Supply Checklist” thread… this is the resulting thread.

Paul thinks we should be talking about how we prevent the war instead of how we supply ourselves for survival. In a way a supply list is selfish to some degree, I am still a supporter of always being ready for anything. However he poses some interesting questions.

So the question has be posed. . . What can WE do to prevent the war(s)? More so what can we do besides vote?
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Close enough.

Actually, though, my thought is that you are talking about two-- count'em, two wars. You can prevent both by taking peaceful, legal, nonviolent action now.

There may be ways other than the one I suggest: a Constitutional amendment providing for general impeachment, followed by a national referendum. But there are also other potential scenarios for the near future besides the two radical ones we are discussing.

The first radical scenario is Titor's and its variations: civil upheaval, the breakdown of the social order, capped by massive catastrophe.

The second radical scenario is some variation on the one I propose: the upheaval is confined to the political realm, which in its American form is tough and flexible.

But here is a scenario that has all the marks of coming true as well: nothing big happens. I know, I know, but think of it this way: the best way to control the population is to keep it unexcited. Maintain the status quo. Quiet the middle eastern front. Raise the minimum raise and lower the interest rate. Reign in the stock market. Impose the grand old American order of somnambulatory complacency, tedium, and motel art.

There are many forms of hell, and one of the worst ones is overall banality. We might all just sleepwalk into the horizon.
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QUOTE(TheHeggy @ Sep 20 2004, 11:48 PM)
To me it feels like the course is already set. It's like trying to get off the rollercoaster after it's started.

Even if we did manage to stop certain events from happening, would that erase all the scum that's in power? I think not. Things can only get worse before they can get better.
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Well, I do think that there is a great deal more divergence from John's original timeline then he could specifically calculate. I know this is going to sound a little odd, but that's about par for the course here.

In John's timeline, Y2K did hit. If it had on our timeline, would people still be using Windows software, and would Microsoft still be the largest company in the world, controlling many media centers and computers? No. So how much does that change things?
Quite a bit, in my opinion. It may allow the Government to campaign propoganda to the American Public for longer about how terrorism is "still a threat." And the more control the government has over the people, the more people it will have to try and secure it.
I do believe that the next president will not make it through their term in office, and I don't say that as a threat, just as a belief. I believe that will be the beginning of the civil war. Either that or another botched election.
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StarLord post Sep 22 2004, 01:58 PM
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You meant RIGGED election yes?
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Frog186 post Sep 22 2004, 02:33 PM
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Hi All I just wanted to say in order to prevent the wars and so much more I would buy a hdr or a time machine or time travel device and try and track down john titor if he was real or not is not the result or issue the only problem with tracking john titor down is everytime you time travel your not going to the real universe or timeline but a parallel universe or timeline so everything would be different instead of john being a military or government person he could be getting a different job or working at other places and so you get the idea but if I could find john then I would come back and tell everyone he is for real I am going to buy a hdr later in two months actually and track his timeline down if it isn't his then I will know it is a parallel one well I am going to leave now but I will talk with you all later sorry I am busy too at the moment! thanks for listening though!
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StarLord post Sep 22 2004, 03:17 PM
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Actually, I *just* came up with a real use for that dubious unit. Issue them to ALL Senators, Congressmen, Supreme Court Judges, Politicians, the prez, the vice prez and on down. They can go the Philadelphia rpote on a one way trip.
The alternate universes can keep them. :lol:

We Don Need No Stinkin Politicians.

Hey Frog, I don't want to bust your bubble my friend but there is no way that thing could possibly be safe or work. Don't waste your money. Buy something like a solar/hand crank radio. Something that has been tested, approved for public use and can't possibly make you insane or sick.

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Frog186 post Sep 22 2004, 04:07 PM
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Hi All I just wanted to tell you don't worry I am a serious and careful person I am going to buy it in two months I have heard hdrkid has used it for his astral travels and he came back in order to tell us all about his information and experiences also I am only going to use it to test it out not really do astral or physical time travel I will let you know if it is good or not and maybe one day I will find john titor if he is real or not in 2036 of course but what bothers me the most is alexander is not here anymore he was cool telling us about alot of stuff like his experiences and answers to our questions well anyways that's all I am going to say for now well I will talk with you all later!
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Paul J. Lyon post Sep 22 2004, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE(Frog186 @ Sep 22 2004, 10:07 PM)
Starlord + Everyone
Hi All I just wanted to tell you don't worry I am a serious and careful person I am going to buy it in two months I have heard hdrkid has used it for his astral travels and he came back in order to tell us all about his information and experiences also I am only going to use it to test it out not really do astral or physical time travel I will let you know if it is good or not and maybe one day I will find john titor if he is real or not in 2036 of course but what bothers me the most is alexander is not here anymore he was cool telling us about alot of stuff like his experiences and answers to our questions well anyways that's all I am going to say for now well I will talk with you all later!
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