Live Birth Abortion is On the Table — America Enters New Stage of Radicalization


Kairos

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We reached the point where liberals want to literally commit infanticide and they act like they are the victims when people decide they are evil.
 

Cirrus

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Much of the live-birth abortion discussion revolves around New York's passage of the "Reproductive Health Act". Click for a link to the bill.

When you actually read the bill, it's not as bad as the "evil" spin it's getting. Let's break it down.

Under the bill, a health care practitioner who is licensed/certified/authorized under NY law may perform an abortion if, in the practitioner's reasonable and good faith professional judgment acting within the legal scope of the practitioner's practice, any of the following factors are present in the patient's case:

1.) The pregnancy is within the second trimester, or
2.) The fetus is not viable, or
3.) The mother will die or the mother's health is at risk.

At the outset, we are not talking about an abortion that occurs within the third trimester or just prior to birth despite the spin this law is getting otherwise. The problem with this bill is the presence of "or" among the factors. If it was, pregnancy is within the second trimester and either the fetus is not viable or the mother will die/suffer health complications, then I don't think that there would be as much of an uproar as there is currently.

The abortion for "convenience" argument also does not hold as much weight as the spin doctors are giving it. In performing an abortion, the health care practitioner has to use his/her professional judgment using reason and good faith prior to performing the abortion. If a pregnant woman comes into the practitioner's office a week prior to the end of the second trimester and says, "I want an abortion just because I want one", the practitioner should not perform the abortion. If the abortion is performed in such an instance, the practitioner will likely lose his/her license as well as face potential criminal penalties including manslaughter/murder charges.

That all being said, I'm against this new law because there is too much gray area.
 

Einstein

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HI, Einstein! Just to clarify - is your remark facetious or do you truly condone blind prejudicial hatred? I would be surprised at the latter, having read your posts back on the TTI forums when they were active. But, who knows? Perhaps such topics never arose there in those days. I hope all is well.
An eye for an eye is what I meant. I do not support socialism or communism in any form.
 

Element115

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So, if I step on an ant, then I'm going to jail for murder?
Do you classify all living creatures as animals? Then no, you won't go to jail for stepping on an ant. You will get the death penalty - because clearly all life is of an exact comparable worth when speaking about extremes. If you want to nitpick you can literally find a problem with everything - even mother nature.
 

Element115

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I understand the feeling. At the same time, I truly hope that divisions and the hatred between factions can be healed.
It cannot because the reason the factions exist in the first place is due to oversimplification of complex controversial issues. That's why there's a democratic party and a republican party and absolutely no middle ground.
 

Kairos

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Liberals: OMG! Stop messing with our RIGHT to murder newborn babies!!

Decent folk: Holy shit. They really are that evil. If murdering newborns is morally legitimate, then so is murdering anybody else, including liberals.

Liberals: OMG! The violent factions are out to get us!! Somebody do something about this violent politics!!
 

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