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Carl Miller

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Let me pose a couple of questions and let us see how it flows.
We do not know how consciousness originated from.
This poster brings information and it is entirely on you the task of inquiring on the brain mind and consciousness relations
trying to figure the interactions.
How deep can the brain impact on consciousness or our ability in perceiving reality?
We don't know how consciousness and mind originates and it is generated from this channel to this thing called brain mind. We do not know what happens after death.
Is the consciousness preserved or not?
Is this phenomenon originated by the dying brain?
Or perhaps this is pulling back a veil to elucidate an element of consciousness that is not available to us in a more cognitive day to day experience.
Is this thing a neuroscientific task?
Is it a medical task?
Is a task of philosophy?
Before opening the floor for self inquiring which i strongly encourage.
Let me put out a couple of things which i think are important.
The question here is we are still trying to unravel consciousness particularly phenomenal consciousness, not just how the brain works but what is this thing that the brain experiences which makes "mind".
What is that?
Generated, channeled, perceived, some combination of all the above?

A decade of brain study was not enought
to elucidate these questions.
But it was sufficient to open up some technology such as the so called BrainSync popularized by Robert Monroe and now made it known by the Internet. The Binaural Beats. The brainwave entrainment.

The goal here is moving or 'fueling' at least one single person into questioning on the interactions between brain and consciousness to see if there is consciousness outside the brain which is the case of someone going through the process of a dying brain.
If ever the colorful experiences can be attributed to the release of DMT known to flood the system during extreme phases of anguish and sorrow.
Can the experiences of seeing a tunnel and a bright light ett relayed by Near Death Experiencers (while undergoing a close brush to death) be explained by the impact of DMT or Serotonin into the dying brain?
Is it only a byproduct of brain activity or...
Does the consciousness retain independence from the brain and it is a spiritual indestructible side in the human being?
 
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Carl Miller

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We wish to know if consciousness is a byproduct of the brain activity. If so, there is no afterlife. NDE -Near Death Experience, when someone has a close brush to death and returns to tell us (of course) they come up with weird stories of having passed through a tunnel of light, having met with angelic creatures, having had a retrospect of his or her life and so on and so forth.

To depict the spiritualist side i am posting a video whose protagonist is Dr. Eben Alexander who once had been a materialist doctor and was convinced by a Near Death Experience that consciousness is completely independent from the brain.
By the way Dr. Eben wrote a book 'proving the existence of heaven'. Paraphrasing William Shakespeare there is much more to be said about the afterlife other than the mere dual concept of heaven and hell. Anyway, let it be as it is and go straight to the vídeo.


Bagni di Lucca
= I would love for you to share up for the people who haven't had the opportunity to read your book, a synthesis of your experience and background.

Dr. Eben Alexander
=Well basically I spent the first 45 years of my life honing a very materialistic Science worldview conventional view working as a neurosurgery I was at Harvard Medical School for 15 years and I thought I had some idea of how the brain mind consciousness were interrelated based on my education and experience over all those years , then in November 2008 I was very deeply thrust into coma over just a few hours with a severe gram negative bacteria meningitis that is the worst kind of meningitis you can have.
And i didn't come to realize it until much later after i came back but kind of meningitis is a perfect model for human death because of all diseases it preferentially destroys the human part of the brain the outer surface which is known as the neo-cortex and our conventional neuro scientif models of consciousness all postulate the advanced calculating abilities of the new córtex are essential for any kind of detailed conscious awareness.
Everything we see, hear, think, feel, all our thoughts and emotions every bit of that is constructed with neo cortex. And by destroying it you basically destroy everything that should be part of consciousness, this ability to perceive things, and yet deep into my coma what actually happened was as my neo cortex was devastated my conscious awareness expanded tremendously and of course that is the story I tell in my book where I provide proof that Heaven exists. .......


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Ok. That is enough. We are talking about a neurosurgeon who changed his afterlife paradigms as he went through a Near Death Experience , NDE, himself. This NDE put in check his materialistic view and he started to advocate that consciousness is not a product of the brain. Since consciousness is not a byproduct of the brain activity there is in every human being a spiritual particle called spirit. Evidently. How did he come up with this conclusion?
He had the most severe in all brain diseases, a Meningitis which destroys the neo cortex, the part of the brain, supposed by the materialist scientists, to be responsible for consciousness. Most contradictorily instead of shrinking his consciouness expanded tremendously using his own words, this experience kicked him into writing a book defending the existence of heaven.


P.S= I didn't notice the experience by Dr. Eben Alexander had already been posted. Well, so include the current post into the previous one. Strange, it seems things are on a synchronic mode.
 

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Dannion Brinkley on Supreme Master Television

There's also an interesting episode inside NDE researching community.
This time we are featuring Dannion Brinkley from the United States shared on the internet worldwide details of his multiple near death experiences or NDEs.
His first NDE was in 1975. Mr. Brinkley, then 25, was talking on the telephone during a thunderstorm and received what he refers to as a “phone call from God.” Literally what he said to Supreme Master Television- Science and Spirituality.

It happened when a bolt of lightning hit the phone line and sent approximately 180,000 volts of electricity into his head.

I got struck by lightning talking on the telephone. Lightning came down the phone line. It hit me in the side of the head, it went down my spine. It welded the nails of the heels of my shoes to the floor, throws me in the air and suspends me in the air, (then) slams me back down on the bed. (I was) dead for 28 minutes, completely paralyzed for six days, partially paralyzed for seven months, (and took) two years to learn to walk and feed myself.

The life-changing event led Dannion Brinkley to write a book called “Saved By The Light” which was published in 1994 and became a New York Times bestseller. His story was made into a highly rated television movie as well. Mr. Brinkley has since released several more books about his near death experiences. A former Marine who truly loves his country, he is also the co-founder of The Twilight Brigade, a non-profit organization that provides end-of-life care to American veterans. In 2007, he received the President’s Lifetime Achievement Award For Outstanding Volunteer Service in hospitals that treat veterans. Let’s now hear more about Mr. Brinkley’s first near death experience.

When that lightning hit me and I slammed on the bed, I lifted out of my body. And I was in a place of observation; I was completely calm and I was safe. I was no longer a part of myself and I’m floating above this room and I see myself lying across the bed. He went on reporting to Supreme Master Television.

You don’t really ever know that you’re dead, when you’re dead, because you’re alive really for the first time ever. There is nothing in your world that is real. Now that’s what spirituality represents. Science has proven that this world is not real. You know this place better than any other place that you’ve ever been. You are comfortable there, and you are thankful, and you are watching your life like a movie.

And then, at a certain point, they were loading me in the ambulance; no one could resuscitate me. And the paramedic said, “He’s gone, he’s gone.” I’m in the ambulance behind the paramedic, looking over his shoulder, watching him work on me, observing how diligent and how thorough this guy was in whatever he was doing. I didn’t know he was trying to save my life. I hear a series of chimes and I go down this tunnel. And I came into this place of bright, brilliant, beautiful light.

And what was amazing about it was this: when that ball of fire came to the room, when that lightning struck that phone, it burned my eyes. I wore welder’s glasses for months because I couldn’t take bright lights. And when I came into this place of light, it did not burn my eyes, and that was the first thing I thought. Why is this not hurting me? Why is this calm? Why is this peaceful?

A commonly reported event that occurs during near death experiences is watching a review of one’s life. Mr. Brinkley explains further.

The “panoramic life review” is the single most important part of the near-death experience. The single most important thing is this: there will be a stage where you will see your entire life pass before you in a 360-degree panorama. You know how many hairs were in the nose of the doctor who took you from your mother. You know the names of everybody who was in that room. You know details about them. You’re opened up to this vastness of your ability as a spiritual being to consume information and data and it’s vast.

And the first thing you do is appreciate what you were willing to give up and confine yourself to be, because you were chosen to come by the Divine and you also chose to come. If you were chosen to come by the Divine, what does that mean? That means that the Divine, the intricate nature of the beauty of the Paternal Mother to create. You were specifically born at a certain nano-second, to bring your energy and nature and spiritual identity onto the Earth. And to be you.

A great, powerful and mighty spiritual being with dignity, direction and purpose, to seek to be a co-creator. When you see yourself open in that magnificence, and you watch the possibilities of what you could see in your whole life, you reconnect to your own Divine self. It will happen automatically. And you will see your entire life pass before you. You will watch it from a second-person- point-of-view. As if you were your best friend looking at the choices that you made.

That’s a tough place, because I had a lot of stuff I had to face. I had sometimes done some minimal damage, a lot of verbal abuse, bullying, a lot of stuff where I hurt feelings. When I did it, I thought I was being cool. And my intention was to show off and to see how important I was, or my ego wanted other people to think I was big and tough. And I was seeing the reasons why and the reason was not of integrity or love or compassion. I had to feel the pain. If it was love, integrity and compassion I got to feel the joy.

The Bible states, “You reap what you sow.” In Buddhism, Hinduism and other spiritual traditions, this is called the law of karma. Mr. Brinkley came to truly understand this universal law when he was in the higher realms.

When you make choices, you become responsible for your actions, based on the reason that you were sent and the reason which you came. You were chosen because the Divine believes there is no one greater than you at the particular moment that you came on the Earth to fulfill Divine prophesy, to fulfill the Divine mission as this Universe unfolds.

When you literally become every person that you’ve ever encountered, and you feel the direct results of your interaction between you and that person, that is the single most life-changing point in who you are as a spiritual being on this Earth today. You’re going to judge yourself. Who knows more about you than you? No one. Who knows more about the reasons why you did what you did than you? So you judge you.

And how would you judge yourself? You’re going to see it all again. You’re going to see it all in 360 degrees. You’re going to watch it from a second person point of view. You’re going to feel it and be everybody you’ve ever interacted with and then you’re going to measure it. It changed my life. It shifted me, it made me more responsible. It saw that I was a person that was connected to the Divine and there was no separation. We come from difference places and levels of spiritual consciousness. But you go back to the one that you came from.

Many NDE accounts describe visiting places of glorious light, deep peace and immense beauty filled with many wondrous beings. To this day Mr. Brinkley remembers the many magnificent things that he witnessed during his near death experiences.

Something was coming toward me. And it’s a being. It’s this beautiful, radiant being. It’s calm and loving and supportive like it’s my best friend. And I’m studying it; because a lot of people have had near-death experiences; it’s Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, Allah, Krishna; everybody has a name for this Being. I didn’t have a name for this Being; I was just an observer of it.

Wherever it was, it was comfortable to me and whatever was going to happen, I was ready to embrace it. So will everybody. This life has a value of how to become a co-creator. How to become one with something you are never separated from. Consciously, what appears to be a separate being, you can reunite. I saw this altar and it’s all made of what looks like glass or crystal. It’s perfect stones. It’s very symmetrical; it looks like an old cathedral in old Europe. But it’s glass and it radiates, illuminates. And then came these 12 beings. These were beings that were radiating. They weren’t like the being that met me. These beings had complete shape and form and they radiated colors.

Many spiritual traditions teach that when we come to this world, we forget what we resolved to accomplish here while we were in Heaven. Many of those who have had NDEs say they now understand why we deviate from the path we chart for ourselves prior to coming to this plane.


What I gathered from that was this, that the spiritual dimension understands the probable
Welcome enchanting viewers to Science and Spirituality on Supreme Master Television. This week’s edition is the first in a two-part series featuring Dannion Brinkley from the United States who will share with us details of his multiple near death experiences or NDEs. His first NDE was in 1975. Mr. Brinkley, then 25, was talking on the telephone during a thunderstorm and received what he refers to as a “phone call from God.” It happened when a bolt of lightning hit the phone line and sent approximately 180,000 volts of electricity into his head.

I got struck by lightning talking on the telephone. Lightning came down the phone line. It hit me in the side of the head, it went down my spine. It welded the nails of the heels of my shoes to the floor, throws me in the air and suspends me in the air, (then) slams me back down on the bed. (I was) dead for 28 minutes, completely paralyzed for six days, partially paralyzed for seven months, (and took) two years to learn to walk and feed myself.

The life-changing event led Dannion Brinkley to write a book called “Saved By The Light” which was published in 1994 and became a New York Times bestseller. His story was made into a highly rated television movie as well. Mr. Brinkley has since released several more books about his near death experiences. A former Marine who truly loves his country, he is also the co-founder of The Twilight Brigade, a non-profit organization that provides end-of-life care to American veterans. In 2007, he received the President’s Lifetime Achievement Award For Outstanding Volunteer Service in hospitals that treat veterans. Let’s now hear more about Mr. Brinkley’s first near death experience.

When that lightning hit me and I slammed on the bed, I lifted out of my body. And I was in a place of observation; I was completely calm and I was safe. I was no longer a part of myself and I’m floating above this room and I see myself lying across the bed. You don’t really ever know that you’re dead, when you’re dead, because you’re alive really for the first time ever. There is nothing in your world that is real. Now that’s what spirituality represents. Science has proven that this world is not real. You know this place better than any other place that you’ve ever been. You are comfortable there, and you are thankful, and you are watching your life like a movie.

And then, at a certain point, they were loading me in the ambulance; no one could resuscitate me. And the paramedic said, “He’s gone, he’s gone.” I’m in the ambulance behind the paramedic, looking over his shoulder, watching him work on me, observing how diligent and how thorough this guy was in whatever he was doing. I didn’t know he was trying to save my life. I hear a series of chimes and I go down this tunnel. And I came into this place of bright, brilliant, beautiful light.

And what was amazing about it was this: when that ball of fire came to the room, when that lightning struck that phone, it burned my eyes. I wore welder’s glasses for months because I couldn’t take bright lights. And when I came into this place of light, it did not burn my eyes, and that was the first thing I thought. Why is this not hurting me? Why is this calm? Why is this peaceful?

A commonly reported event that occurs during near death experiences is watching a review of one’s life. Mr. Brinkley explains further.

The “panoramic life review” is the single most important part of the near-death experience. The single most important thing is this: there will be a stage where you will see your entire life pass before you in a 360-degree panorama. You know how many hairs were in the nose of the doctor who took you from your mother. You know the names of everybody who was in that room. You know details about them. You’re opened up to this vastness of your ability as a spiritual being to consume information and data and it’s vast.

And the first thing you do is appreciate what you were willing to give up and confine yourself to be, because you were chosen to come by the Divine and you also chose to come. If you were chosen to come by the Divine, what does that mean? That means that the Divine, the intricate nature of the beauty of the Paternal Mother to create. You were specifically born at a certain nano-second, to bring your energy and nature and spiritual identity onto the Earth. And to be you.

A great, powerful and mighty spiritual being with dignity, direction and purpose, to seek to be a co-creator. When you see yourself open in that magnificence, and you watch the possibilities of what you could see in your whole life, you reconnect to your own Divine self. It will happen automatically. And you will see your entire life pass before you. You will watch it from a second-person- point-of-view. As if you were your best friend looking at the choices that you made.

That’s a tough place, because I had a lot of stuff I had to face. I had sometimes done some minimal damage, a lot of verbal abuse, bullying, a lot of stuff where I hurt feelings. When I did it, I thought I was being cool. And my intention was to show off and to see how important I was, or my ego wanted other people to think I was big and tough. And I was seeing the reasons why and the reason was not of integrity or love or compassion. I had to feel the pain. If it was love, integrity and compassion I got to feel the joy.

The Bible states, “You reap what you sow.” In Buddhism, Hinduism and other spiritual traditions, this is called the law of karma. Mr. Brinkley came to truly understand this universal law when he was in the higher realms.

When you make choices, you become responsible for your actions, based on the reason that you were sent and the reason which you came. You were chosen because the Divine believes there is no one greater than you at the particular moment that you came on the Earth to fulfill Divine prophesy, to fulfill the Divine mission as this Universe unfolds.

When you literally become every person that you’ve ever encountered, and you feel the direct results of your interaction between you and that person, that is the single most life-changing point in who you are as a spiritual being on this Earth today. You’re going to judge yourself. Who knows more about you than you? No one. Who knows more about the reasons why you did what you did than you? So you judge you.

And how would you judge yourself? You’re going to see it all again. You’re going to see it all in 360 degrees. You’re going to watch it from a second person point of view. You’re going to feel it and be everybody you’ve ever interacted with and then you’re going to measure it. It changed my life. It shifted me, it made me more responsible. It saw that I was a person that was connected to the Divine and there was no separation. We come from difference places and levels of spiritual consciousness. But you go back to the one that you came from.

Many NDE accounts describe visiting places of glorious light, deep peace and immense beauty filled with many wondrous beings. To this day Mr. Brinkley remembers the many magnificent things that he witnessed during his near death experiences.

Something was coming toward me. And it’s a being. It’s this beautiful, radiant being. It’s calm and loving and supportive like it’s my best friend. And I’m studying it; because a lot of people have had near-death experiences; it’s Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, Allah, Krishna; everybody has a name for this Being. I didn’t have a name for this Being; I was just an observer of it.

Wherever it was, it was comfortable to me and whatever was going to happen, I was ready to embrace it. So will everybody. This life has a value of how to become a co-creator. How to become one with something you are never separated from. Consciously, what appears to be a separate being, you can reunite. I saw this altar and it’s all made of what looks like glass or crystal. It’s perfect stones. It’s very symmetrical; it looks like an old cathedral in old Europe. But it’s glass and it radiates, illuminates. And then came these 12 beings. These were beings that were radiating. They weren’t like the being that met me. These beings had complete shape and form and they radiated colors.

Many spiritual traditions teach that when we come to this world, we forget what we resolved to accomplish here while we were in Heaven. Many of those who have had NDEs say they now understand why we deviate from the path we chart for ourselves prior to coming to this plane.

What I gathered from that was this, that the spiritual dimension understands the probable possibilities of what will happen in our lives based on why they sent us and why we chose to come because we get off in tangents and opinions and we forget that we have a deep Divine spiritual identity. And we have a certain spiritual mission.

Dannion Brinkley, we thank you for sharing with us one of your extraordinary near death experiences as well as reminding us that Earth is but a temporary abode during our spiritual journey.

For more details on Dannion Brinkley, please visit the following website www.Dannion.com Books including “Saved By the Light” as well as DVDs and CDs by Mr. Brinkley are available at the same website

Admired viewers, please join us next Monday on Science and Spirituality for the conclusion of our interview with Dannion Brinkley. Thank you for your presence today on our program. Coming up next is Words of Wisdom, after Noteworthy News. May we all take time to give thanks to the Divine for all the blessings in our lives.


Welcome open-minded viewers to Science and Spirituality for the conclusion of a two-part series on the near death experiences or NDEs of Mr. Dannion Brinkley.

Mr. Brinkley underwent his first NDE in 1975 at the age of 25 when he was talking on the telephone. A lightning bolt hit the phone line, sending approximately 180,000 volts of electricity into his head. He traveled through a tunnel and visited a brightly lit place filled with beauty and unconditional love. There he experienced what he calls a “panoramic life review” detailing every event during his first 25 years of life on Earth. He also met a number of loving, radiant beings.

The NDE led Dannion Brinkley to write a book called “Saved By The Light” which was published in 1994 and became a New York Times bestseller. His story was made into a highly rated television movie as well. Besides giving lectures on what he has learned about the afterlife, Mr. Brinkley uses his understanding of life and death to aid American veterans who are terminally ill.

A former Marine who truly loves his country, he is the co-founder of The Twilight Brigade, a non-profit organization that provides end-of-life care to veterans. In 2007, he received the President’s Lifetime Achievement Award For Outstanding Volunteer Service in hospitals that treat veterans. Fourteen years after his first NDE, Dannion Brinkley underwent his second near death experience.

In 1989, I had heart failure and I had to have open heart surgery. The first time I had a near-death experience, it was on the job training. The next time I had five days to think about it.

Mr. Brinkley didn’t want to undergo the life-saving procedure as he wished to return to Heaven, but his family and friends convinced him to have the operation as they naturally did not wish to lose him.

I didn’t go to the crystal city. I went some place higher, another higher vibration, another level of consciousness, this place where the energy was how harmony and resonance existed, where everything vibrated the same and you can become part of consciousness. You can think 30,000 things at the same time. And you could piece it together, pull it apart and see how a psychology would work or a perspective would work or how an equation would work, how something was created. How it would come together as matter from the particle and sub-atomic (level) and you would watch it and see planets and you could see all these levels of consciousness.

And there was this building that was built of what looked like glass that had color in them. And when the light from outside would shine through the color, those colors blended from each of those panels in the room. It created a vibration and a frequency that I could see. I could see that vibration and I could see that frequency. And I could see how it was interacting with beings. And these beings were moving through these rows of flowers of such shimmering beauty.

It was amazing and the sense I got was this is the feeling that can be created on this Earth. Of all the near death experiences, that would have to be the coolest moment. I knew I was in a place where God was. I knew I was in the presence of the Divine. So it was the coolest moment. And then here I come back, again.

Another eight years passed and in 1997 Dannion Brinkley had a third NDE.

I went in for brain surgery. I lifted out of my body. And as I lifted out of my body, I was in this blue-gray place, the same place I’ve always been where I could look around and see what was going on. I could watch to see what was happening. And for the first time I realized that I was not alone in this blue-gray place. The first two times over 22 years, I thought I was alone. But I wasn’t. There was another world. There was a level of consciousness that existed there, that I’d never noticed before the first two times. I knew there was a world.

And then I go down the tunnel. I came into the place of light. But I’m really thinking about this blue-gray place and all these beings and all these things that I sensed but I didn’t get the chance to see because I was going through the normal pattern of Dannion leaving this world, going from this world to the next. I start a panoramic life of view. I get through the first 40 years, but it’s of no interest to me because I’m fixated on who else was in the blue-gray place.

And then all of a sudden I’m back there. A place where you go if you don’t have to go down the tunnel, you can stay. When we fixate on what we’re doing as opposed to what we were sent to do, a lot of times you’ve developed an idea about yourself. There is a level of consciousness that you do not have to leave who you are. You could keep being afraid and frightened. You could have been abused that you don’t want to go down the tunnel. You can pay attention to things and you don’t have to go down the tunnel because you still have free will. There were so many veterans of so many wars in this (blue-gray) place.

Mr. Brinkley wants people to know they don’t have to go or stay in this unhappy blue-gray place. He says discovering our true self-nature in the present will help us avoid this realm after we pass on.

Their message is we must find ourselves as spiritual beings in our mission so that weakness or that thought doesn’t capture us. No one stays there forever. You’re free when you choose to. But a lot of people have resentment and anger and denial and lack of appreciation for themselves because they forgot they’re great powerful and almighty spiritual beings with dignity, direction and purpose. And they forgot that they are the difference that the Divine makes on this Earth.

No matter where they are, no matter what they do, it’s what they are. You are the difference that God makes and you get a chance to identify that self so that you can see yourself as a co-creator. That’s why you were sent, and that’s why you chose to come. Once you put your mind into that place, you’ll find peace, and focus, and wealth, and happiness and service, and a beautiful wife or a beautiful person to love you and hope and aspire with you. And all those things that we all deserve to have.

I spent 41 hours in this (blue- gray) place. And when I came out, they woke me up, I knew what I had to do and I began The Twilight Brigade, one of the largest end-of-life care volunteer programs for dying veterans in American history. (We are) making a difference in the quality of the end-of-life of those who had served this country. They were there for us when we needed them, we must be there for them now that they need us.

Over 5,000 volunteers from The Twilight Brigade provide care and comfort to those who are nearing the end of their life’s journey on Earth.

I got up from death and I built this, where over 19,000 veterans that we’ve been with.

And we have hundreds of thousands of hours at the bedside, nationwide.

 

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My friend..:)
If 180.000 volts of electricity hit that guys phone line, his phone will have melted and he would be left with a massive burn on the side of his head, and very likely he would have not recovered from it :eek: :D..
 

Carl Miller

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Well, the guy got electrified, literally- 1st meaning- 'really', 2nd meaning-
informal
used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true.
"I have received literally thousands of letters"

Ist meaning= the guy got so electrified it rang thousand bells (2nd meaning, 'overrating things') into his head, he could do without sleeping for ages (literally- 2nd meaning).

If he had really died he would have been called 'the electrified ghost' and could been seen shining bright in the dark.
That is what i call literally- "Turn it up, Dj, I am electrified tonight!"
 

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