Sinning, as Jesus and the church say, is good. Turn or burn Christians.

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Sinning, as Jesus and the church say, is good. Turn or burn Christians.

Protestants through Martin Luther agree.
“Be a sinner and sin strongly, but more strongly have faith and rejoice in Christ.” Martin Luther

Christians and Catholics agree and sing of sin being a happy fault, due to keeping Yahweh’s Great Plan on track.

The Eden myth agrees as it has Yahweh insuring sin by putting the talking serpent into Eden, --- possessed by Satan, --- and giving her a role.

The sex of the talking serpent is not known, --- as far as I know, --- but she is likely female.

Females were always vilified in scriptures. Even to making Jesus’ wife a loose woman.

Women are the archetypal source of evil for man; and deserves it. Happily. They are the evolutionary prize.

Not for sin, of course. That is mostly man’s fault, thanks to testosterone.

Men are forced to compete for women and those competitions are the source of all human to human evil.

The problem of evil is puny as compared to the greater good of our continuing existence.

Gnostic Christians were known as the only good Christians. This, of course, given that my old Jesus mind has created my Christ consciousness, --- thanks to Gnosis, --- I know this to have some merit, but cannot personally take that label. It must be recognized.

One cannot acclaim oneself legitimately.

I can claim to be a great sinner, because you have to be to have a Christ consciousness. I have sinned in my mind and that is as good as doing evil, said Jesus.

Given my old Jesus consciousness, that is morphing into my Christ consciousness, --- through sinning greatly, --- I would invite all believers to do so, so as to get closer to god.

I did not check the Qur’an, but like the other Abrahamic religions, it too likely has Allah thinking sin is a really happy fault and great part of God’s Great Plan.

The mentally Catholic/Christian/Torah part of me, has to agree with how Yahweh, although I hate to give that genocidal ^^&&^& any credit for anything the mythicists put into his vile demiurge mouth.

The term Demiurge was likely invented by the more polite Gnostics. I like my modern interpretation. Plain evil.

I had to modernize it so that the literalists would perhaps take note and reduce his status; at least to below Jesus and Hitler. Mind you, literalists would have Jesus do Armageddon. Yuk.

As men compete and create most of the human to human evil in the world, a necessary evil, let us all pray that those that have shown themselves to be the fittest oligarchs, remember how generous they have been in the past and personally, I would like to see them compete in their philanthropy, that has already greatly improved our socio economic progress.

Are the Abrahamic religions correct in their view of sin being good?

I think they are but should work a lot harder at teaching Abrahamists what that means, so as to check their turn or burn unreligious views.

It is Christians who must turn from their vile god, or burn, not the other way around as Christians claim.

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I do not blame anyone for not wanting to deal with Christian thinking oddities.

It is hard to talk nicely of or to the immoral.

I am here for truth and harm reduction, not for nice.

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well I'd like to talk to ya...you got good points
prob is your bad attitude.

take care.

I know.

Christians bring our the worst in me. I tell the full truth of their vile god and religion.

If your attitude towards those homophobes and misogynous who will discriminate against any gay or woman in your line, is not negative, you are not living by the Golden Rule.

Insert gays and women harmed by homophobic and misogynous religions to this quote. You should get an idea of what you should be doing with the homophobic and misogynous mainstream religions if you live by the golden rule.

Please get back to me with your conclusion.

Martin Niemöller
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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This is 1 of the very few times I agree with you NP, regarding the bad attitude..

I like to see those who think that adoring a genocidal god and promoting his homophobic and misogynous fascist religion, is a good attitude.

It allows me to teach them a decent moral sense.

You have seen Christians here run from such insightful teachings.

I will keep my attitude and good moral sense. You can ignore me if you do not want to see what good morals are.

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DL
 

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The Bible is such an interesting read, Take the two creation stories in Ch1 and Ch2, and then the talking snake! A story to unravel. Maybe after some sleep.

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The Bible is such an interesting read, Take the two creation stories in Ch1 and Ch2, and then the talking snake! A story to unravel. Maybe after some sleep.

Happy Sunday All!!!

There are quite a number of doublets. Even the same story 3 times, like the 3 different 10 garbage Commandments.

Christians conveniently forget that the bible is showing an androgynous Yahweh, just as the Jews have always portrayed him.

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The Bible is such an interesting read, Take the two creation stories in Ch1 and Ch2, and then the talking snake! A story to unravel. Maybe after some sleep.

Happy Sunday All!!!

Here is how you unravel this myth.

Eve was correct in eating of the tree of knowledge and rejecting God.

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

This indicates that Jesus had no choice.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane and immoral God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women. They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

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Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.

First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.

As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.

Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

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DL

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