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Lonewolf post Aug 13 2004, 03:55 AM
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I was reading the go north column, reading about what some of us have ready right now.
I would like to hear more and wanted to start this to throw out some suggestions. My main one right now is for everyone to look into recumbant bikes. Regular bikes aren't bad, but if you want to ride all day long, recumbants are better for carrying things, and for overall body support.
I am sure that everyone here has at least one copy of the U.S. constitution.
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sosuemetoo post Aug 13 2004, 06:39 AM
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QUOTE(Lonewolf @ Aug 13 2004, 04:55 AM)
I was reading the go north column, reading about what some of us have ready right now.
I think this thread would be fantastic with additional links to survival check lists. If I get some time in the next few days, I will post some of the better ones that I have bookmarked.
Remember, this is not paranoia, this is being prepared.
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Paul J. Lyon post Aug 13 2004, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE(Lonewolf @ Aug 13 2004, 04:55 AM)
I was reading the go north column, reading about what some of us have ready right now.
I think this thread would be fantastic with additional links to survival check lists. If I get some time in the next few days, I will post some of the better ones that I have bookmarked.
Remember, this is not paranoia, this is being prepared.
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If it doesn't sound too critical, I'd like to point out that some of you seem to be skipping over the interim war and becoming preoccupied with surviving the holocaust.
You cannot fight a civil war with bicycles.
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I've got:
One Grossly dirty joke book.
Two fishing poles.
One of those Bike scooter things, and a bike.
A guitar.
pens and paper out the wazoo, and I write poetry.
A rat. (most likely will expire before the end of next year).
hopefully by then I will have a working remote controll helicopter. That should come in handy.
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sosuemetoo post Aug 13 2004, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE(Paul J. Lyon @ Aug 13 2004, 02:38 PM)
If it doesn't sound too critical, I'd like to point out that some of you seem to be skipping over the interim war and becoming preoccupied with surviving the holocaust.
You cannot fight a civil war with bicycles.
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Paul,
True, very true. Perhaps we need to sets of supplies:
What to have in case you and your family need to be self sufficient during the interim war...or have to leave quickly during the interim war.
What to have in case of a holocaust.
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Here are some things I would put in a "grab and run" bag:
non-hybrid organic vegetable seeds and brief info on how to cultivate them, especially plants that need less water (for any future time when resettling and rebuilding seems like a possibility)
cypro-useful against some biological weapons like anthrax, as well as against waterbourne diseases like dysentary
something like neosporin for cuts
socks that wick away moisture and good hiking shoes
a small earbud radio like are made for runners
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Perhaps it might be a good time to consider some sort of fallout shelter? Instead of running around on the surface in plain sight of satellites and such, you could be hidden safely underground.
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Textfiles.com has a good section for reading about survival.
This link is more focused on preparedness if you want something more specific and to the point.
Some other good links are
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i have been trained to survive indefinately in any climate or situation. all you need is several layers of clothing, a good quality knife, nylon rope, water source, abundant wildlife, fish or small mammals are the best. insects will do in a pinch but there are many that are toxic. maggots on wood are the best. do not eat them from a carcass. get your insects from trees, and avoid most moth and butterfly larve, most are toxic. as well as vivid and brightly colored insects. shelter can easily be made from anything. i have dug holes and made a cover, i have slept in rotten logs, caves. anywhere you can escape the elements.
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I highly recommend a trailstove for outdoor situations. I have one and think its wonderful.
www.trailstove.com
For anyone who camps often, you know that cooking on a campfire is kind of a pain. And if you have a campstove, you know that carrying enough propane for a week is heavy enough. Plus in a shortage situation, propane might not be easy to get.
But, most raw food is not as safe or delicious as cooked food.
The trailstove burns wood in a small unit in a very efficient manner. Its very easy to get a fire going in one of these, and very easy to maintain. The downsides are that fires usually dont last all that long, maybe 20 minutes, so I generally have to refuel it while cooking. And it doesn't burn quite as hot as a propane campstove or stovetop, but neither does a campfire. Its way faster to get this to a cooking temperature than a campfire.
They are very lightweight, and seem fairly durable. Its a great device.
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Here is John's advice:
"1. Do not eat or use products from any animal that is fed and eats parts of its own dead.
2. Do not kiss or have intimate relations with anyone you do not know.
3. Learn basic sanitation and water purification.
4. Be comfortable around firearms. Learn to shoot and clean a gun.
5. Get a good first aid kit and learn to use it.
6. Find 5 people within 100 miles that you trust with your life and stay in contact with them.
7. Get a copy of the US Constitution and read it.
8. Eat less.
9. Get a bicycle and two sets of spare tires. Ride it 10 miles a week.
10. Consider what you would bring with you if you had to leave your home in 10 min. and never return."
Do that first . . . start there.
Notice what isn't on it too.
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Your radios should be of the handcrank and solar power power source. You want to make sure it is shielded properly for both EMP instances and moisture. Do a check on the internet on how to shield electronic equipment for EMP. It is not that hard to do.
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QUOTE(Snow Fire Watches @ Aug 14 2004, 05:16 PM)
Here is John's advice:
"1. Do not eat or use products from any animal that is fed and eats parts of its own dead.
2. Do not kiss or have intimate relations with anyone you do not know.
3. Learn basic sanitation and water purification.
4. Be comfortable around firearms. Learn to shoot and clean a gun.
5. Get a good first aid kit and learn to use it.
6. Find 5 people within 100 miles that you trust with your life and stay in contact with them.
7. Get a copy of the US Constitution and read it.
8. Eat less.
9. Get a bicycle and two sets of spare tires. Ride it 10 miles a week.
10. Consider what you would bring with you if you had to leave your home in 10 min. and never return."
Do that first . . . start there.
Notice what isn't on it too.
SFW
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QUOTE(Grayson @ Aug 14 2004, 09:49 PM)
QUOTE(Snow Fire Watches @ Aug 14 2004, 05:16 PM)
Here is John's advice:
"1. Do not eat or use products from any animal that is fed and eats parts of its own dead.
2. Do not kiss or have intimate relations with anyone you do not know.
3. Learn basic sanitation and water purification.
4. Be comfortable around firearms. Learn to shoot and clean a gun.
5. Get a good first aid kit and learn to use it.
6. Find 5 people within 100 miles that you trust with your life and stay in contact with them.
7. Get a copy of the US Constitution and read it.
8. Eat less.
9. Get a bicycle and two sets of spare tires. Ride it 10 miles a week.
10. Consider what you would bring with you if you had to leave your home in 10 min. and never return."
Do that first . . . start there.
Notice what isn't on it too.
SFW
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If there is ever any one of these Titor survival points you are ever going to adhere to, make it this one. People survive all manner of distasters all around the world, without even a pot to ###### in. Take this advice, keep these friendships up and hope that you never need to rely on them.
Who wants to buddy up?
*
So I guess then that everyone has agreed to become preoccupied with surviving a nuclear holocaust, and scooting right past concern about the instigating cause. Great. Let's just throw in towel now, while it's still clean, and not worry ourselves with the preliminary destruction of society, which we can actually forestall with effort. Is it that no one wants to put out boring, daily effort? Fine. Somebody give me a call on the wireless after the fallout settles, and I'll bring over a boardgame and a few batteries and oatmeal.
There are many people within no more than five or ten miles with whom I would trust my life. Maybe I'm too trusting.
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O.K., Paul, understand, while I believe it is possible to get some bad politicians out of office, getting ALL the bad politicians out of office is a gargantuan effort. That doesn't mean that I am giving up on it though.
I do believe that the civil war can be avoided, and the world war after that. However, to direct all energy towards any single course of action is to deny prepartaion for another. As John said, do not have complete faith in anything.
That being said, this is what I have put together in order to be capable of running for as long as I need to.
Three guns. One handgun, one rifle, one shotgun. A holster for the handgun placing it on my ribcage is part of my wear. The shotgun, when traveling, is carried under the left arm. The rifle has a shoulder strap and is carried muzzle up over the right shoulder, and is unloaded unless hunting.
My dress/common day wear - clean,dry socks. steal toed leather boots. Denim jeans covered by leather chaps. Cotton undershirt, then kevlar vest, then long sleeved cooton shirt, leather jacket. The upper body wear is varient upon risk and weather, as are the leather chaps.
My duffle bag is military issue, and can carry quite a bit (about 80 lbs if I fully loaded it, but it has about 40 in it now.) I have in it:
Bullets for all three weapons.
3 rolls of wax paper.
3 rolls of aliminum foil.
2 packages of rubber bands.
6 containers of tupperware with A/B soap, toothbrushes, toothpaste, matches, and condoms(XL in size), 2 rolls dental floss.
3 packages cotton socks.
3 packages of underwear (12 pair in all).
3 pair of denim jeans.
4 cotton t-shirts.
2 boxes of ziplock bags.
Organic seeds, with mini shovel.
Water purification tablets.
Small boxes of matches.
Varient sizes of fishing hooks. two spools of line.
Disassembled fishing pole.
40 ft. of rope.
1 thin plastic tarp.
That's what I have now, I know I need to adjust it. And I do have copies of the constitution as well. I apologize for not listing them.
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Lonewolf post Aug 13 2004, 03:55 AM
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I was reading the go north column, reading about what some of us have ready right now.
I would like to hear more and wanted to start this to throw out some suggestions. My main one right now is for everyone to look into recumbant bikes. Regular bikes aren't bad, but if you want to ride all day long, recumbants are better for carrying things, and for overall body support.
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QUOTE(Lonewolf @ Aug 13 2004, 04:55 AM)
I was reading the go north column, reading about what some of us have ready right now.
I think this thread would be fantastic with additional links to survival check lists. If I get some time in the next few days, I will post some of the better ones that I have bookmarked.
Remember, this is not paranoia, this is being prepared.
"Mom"
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Paul J. Lyon post Aug 13 2004, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE(Lonewolf @ Aug 13 2004, 04:55 AM)
I was reading the go north column, reading about what some of us have ready right now.
I think this thread would be fantastic with additional links to survival check lists. If I get some time in the next few days, I will post some of the better ones that I have bookmarked.
Remember, this is not paranoia, this is being prepared.
"Mom"
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If it doesn't sound too critical, I'd like to point out that some of you seem to be skipping over the interim war and becoming preoccupied with surviving the holocaust.
You cannot fight a civil war with bicycles.
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Hackimer, Rob post Aug 13 2004, 03:11 PM
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I've got:
One Grossly dirty joke book.
Two fishing poles.
One of those Bike scooter things, and a bike.
A guitar.
pens and paper out the wazoo, and I write poetry.
A rat. (most likely will expire before the end of next year).
hopefully by then I will have a working remote controll helicopter. That should come in handy.
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sosuemetoo post Aug 13 2004, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE(Paul J. Lyon @ Aug 13 2004, 02:38 PM)
If it doesn't sound too critical, I'd like to point out that some of you seem to be skipping over the interim war and becoming preoccupied with surviving the holocaust.
You cannot fight a civil war with bicycles.
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Paul,
True, very true. Perhaps we need to sets of supplies:
What to have in case you and your family need to be self sufficient during the interim war...or have to leave quickly during the interim war.
What to have in case of a holocaust.
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Here are some things I would put in a "grab and run" bag:
non-hybrid organic vegetable seeds and brief info on how to cultivate them, especially plants that need less water (for any future time when resettling and rebuilding seems like a possibility)
cypro-useful against some biological weapons like anthrax, as well as against waterbourne diseases like dysentary
something like neosporin for cuts
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TheHeggy post Aug 13 2004, 04:20 PM
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Textfiles.com has a good section for reading about survival.
This link is more focused on preparedness if you want something more specific and to the point.
Some other good links are
SurvivalIQ - Wilderness Survival Handbook
A comprehensive wilderness survival guide with information, tips, strategies, pictures and diagrams.
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i have been trained to survive indefinately in any climate or situation. all you need is several layers of clothing, a good quality knife, nylon rope, water source, abundant wildlife, fish or small mammals are the best. insects will do in a pinch but there are many that are toxic. maggots on wood are the best. do not eat them from a carcass. get your insects from trees, and avoid most moth and butterfly larve, most are toxic. as well as vivid and brightly colored insects. shelter can easily be made from anything. i have dug holes and made a cover, i have slept in rotten logs, caves. anywhere you can escape the elements.
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I highly recommend a trailstove for outdoor situations. I have one and think its wonderful.
www.trailstove.com
For anyone who camps often, you know that cooking on a campfire is kind of a pain. And if you have a campstove, you know that carrying enough propane for a week is heavy enough. Plus in a shortage situation, propane might not be easy to get.
But, most raw food is not as safe or delicious as cooked food.
The trailstove burns wood in a small unit in a very efficient manner. Its very easy to get a fire going in one of these, and very easy to maintain. The downsides are that fires usually dont last all that long, maybe 20 minutes, so I generally have to refuel it while cooking. And it doesn't burn quite as hot as a propane campstove or stovetop, but neither does a campfire. Its way faster to get this to a cooking temperature than a campfire.
They are very lightweight, and seem fairly durable. Its a great device.
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Here is John's advice:
"1. Do not eat or use products from any animal that is fed and eats parts of its own dead.
2. Do not kiss or have intimate relations with anyone you do not know.
3. Learn basic sanitation and water purification.
4. Be comfortable around firearms. Learn to shoot and clean a gun.
5. Get a good first aid kit and learn to use it.
6. Find 5 people within 100 miles that you trust with your life and stay in contact with them.
7. Get a copy of the US Constitution and read it.
8. Eat less.
9. Get a bicycle and two sets of spare tires. Ride it 10 miles a week.
10. Consider what you would bring with you if you had to leave your home in 10 min. and never return."
Do that first . . . start there.
Notice what isn't on it too.
SFW
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QUOTE(Snow Fire Watches @ Aug 14 2004, 05:16 PM)
Here is John's advice:
"1. Do not eat or use products from any animal that is fed and eats parts of its own dead.
2. Do not kiss or have intimate relations with anyone you do not know.
3. Learn basic sanitation and water purification.
4. Be comfortable around firearms. Learn to shoot and clean a gun.
5. Get a good first aid kit and learn to use it.
6. Find 5 people within 100 miles that you trust with your life and stay in contact with them.
7. Get a copy of the US Constitution and read it.
8. Eat less.
9. Get a bicycle and two sets of spare tires. Ride it 10 miles a week.
10. Consider what you would bring with you if you had to leave your home in 10 min. and never return."
Do that first . . . start there.
Notice what isn't on it too.
SFW
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If there is ever any one of these Titor survival points you are ever going to adhere to, make it this one. People survive all manner of distasters all around the world, without even a pot to ###### in. Take this advice, keep these friendships up and hope that you never need to rely on them.
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QUOTE(Grayson @ Aug 14 2004, 09:49 PM)
QUOTE(Snow Fire Watches @ Aug 14 2004, 05:16 PM)
Here is John's advice:
"1. Do not eat or use products from any animal that is fed and eats parts of its own dead.
2. Do not kiss or have intimate relations with anyone you do not know.
3. Learn basic sanitation and water purification.
4. Be comfortable around firearms. Learn to shoot and clean a gun.
5. Get a good first aid kit and learn to use it.
6. Find 5 people within 100 miles that you trust with your life and stay in contact with them.
7. Get a copy of the US Constitution and read it.
8. Eat less.
9. Get a bicycle and two sets of spare tires. Ride it 10 miles a week.
10. Consider what you would bring with you if you had to leave your home in 10 min. and never return."
Do that first . . . start there.
Notice what isn't on it too.
SFW
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If there is ever any one of these Titor survival points you are ever going to adhere to, make it this one. People survive all manner of distasters all around the world, without even a pot to ###### in. Take this advice, keep these friendships up and hope that you never need to rely on them.
Who wants to buddy up?
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So I guess then that everyone has agreed to become preoccupied with surviving a nuclear holocaust, and scooting right past concern about the instigating cause. Great. Let's just throw in towel now, while it's still clean, and not worry ourselves with the preliminary destruction of society, which we can actually forestall with effort. Is it that no one wants to put out boring, daily effort? Fine. Somebody give me a call on the wireless after the fallout settles, and I'll bring over a boardgame and a few batteries and oatmeal.
There are many people within no more than five or ten miles with whom I would trust my life. Maybe I'm too trusting.
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O.K., Paul, understand, while I believe it is possible to get some bad politicians out of office, getting ALL the bad politicians out of office is a gargantuan effort. That doesn't mean that I am giving up on it though.
I do believe that the civil war can be avoided, and the world war after that. However, to direct all energy towards any single course of action is to deny prepartaion for another. As John said, do not have complete faith in anything.
That being said, this is what I have put together in order to be capable of running for as long as I need to.
Three guns. One handgun, one rifle, one shotgun. A holster for the handgun placing it on my ribcage is part of my wear. The shotgun, when traveling, is carried under the left arm. The rifle has a shoulder strap and is carried muzzle up over the right shoulder, and is unloaded unless hunting.
My dress/common day wear - clean,dry socks. steal toed leather boots. Denim jeans covered by leather chaps. Cotton undershirt, then kevlar vest, then long sleeved cooton shirt, leather jacket. The upper body wear is varient upon risk and weather, as are the leather chaps.
My duffle bag is military issue, and can carry quite a bit (about 80 lbs if I fully loaded it, but it has about 40 in it now.) I have in it:
Bullets for all three weapons.
3 rolls of wax paper.
3 rolls of aliminum foil.
2 packages of rubber bands.
6 containers of tupperware with A/B soap, toothbrushes, toothpaste, matches, and condoms(XL in size), 2 rolls dental floss.
3 packages cotton socks.
3 packages of underwear (12 pair in all).
3 pair of denim jeans.
4 cotton t-shirts.
2 boxes of ziplock bags.
Organic seeds, with mini shovel.
Water purification tablets.
Small boxes of matches.
Varient sizes of fishing hooks. two spools of line.
Disassembled fishing pole.
40 ft. of rope.
1 thin plastic tarp.
That's what I have now, I know I need to adjust it. And I do have copies of the constitution as well. I apologize for not listing them.
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