The River and Honey Theories

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Ralan

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The River and Honey Theories

The River and Honey Theories

Everything is moving forwards through time. This is obvious because if we weren't moving anywhere through time nothing would happen and we certainly aren't going backwards through it.

There are two visual images you could use.
 

Ralan

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The River and Honey Theories

The Honey theory

Time is like an infinately long trail of honey. It doesn't move, but everything is slowly trudging along through it, and in doing so leaves a pattern in it we might call the past.

Time Travel:

Future:
Travelling into the future is possible; you can make a big jump forwards and land further ahead, and although everything has already caught up with you because you travel through the air at the same speed as time is moving, and always land at the foremost point of the trail: you didn't leave a trail of 'past' and therefore no time passed for you.

Past:
You can't walk backwards through the trail. That would confuse the tracks and destroy the universe of the past. This would also happen if you jump backwards. You would completely mess up the future by changing the pattern before it appears and so on. The only safe way to travel into the past is to hover up into the air and float backwards, looking at the pattern that has been left but not affecting it. This is called 'remote viewing'.
 

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The River and Honey Theories

The River Theory

Time is a river, flowing from the point of creation towards the distant infinity, or destruction, whatever you believe. It moves itself, and drags us along through the course we define by the way we move through it.

Time Travel:

Future:
Just like in the honey theory, you should be able to jump forwards and land back in the river later on in time (although there could be a pretty big splash, whatever that would mean). So time travel into the future should definately be possible.


Past:
This is the difference with the honey theory. Say you're flowing along with time normally, but you make yourself a stick. This might be a time machine or mental process or whatever. You ram the stick down into the river bed. Suddenly time is flowing past you, blurring around you, so fast that you can't see it, and it can't detect you. You pull the stick out. And you have travelled back in time, back to a previous point in the course of the river. This is possible because of the main difference between the two theories: Of course, you change the course of the river at least slightly by your actions, but this doesn't affect the future, because that future has already carried on down this river through on its own course. You split the river, and take it off down a new path.

The final point in the river theory is that, if it is correct, there would be many divisions of the river since its starting point. However, just like you would jump along the course of one, why wouldn't you be able to jump between divisions?
 

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The River and Honey Theories

The River Theory has several images that help with the understanding a lot but I don't know how to host them. I've tried Geocities but that's no good for it. Does anyone know a good place to store images for free?
 

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The River and Honey Theories

There is only one expression or consciousness or awareness of time that can be experienced while in the physical body. There is one and only one moment in time that we can possibly experience while in the physical body. That moment is the NOW. Our concept of "Time" is a series of succesive NOWS that are strung together like barges tethered to each other on a river. We are not in the past, it is gone. We are not in the future, it hasn't come yet.

We are only here, right now. This moment, oops, there it just went....Wait! Here comes another....damn! thats one's gone into the past now.....

Say, that means we are living in eternity.....Hmmm that's way too uncomfortable to deal with, eternity is a aweful long time to deal with...

Can't we break this up into periods that don't scare folks?, Thus Light and Dark, Days, Nights, Cycles of the Moon, Weeks, Months, Cycles of the Seasons, Revolution of the Earth around the System, Years, Sun Dials, Chinese Water Clocks, Sand Clocks, Sand Hour Glass, Mechanical Time Pieces, Electronic Time Pieces based on quartz crystal.....

Ah, thats better, small steps when added together make larger steps. Time's not such a hard thing to deal with now thanks to devision that works and it all fits together.... but nothing has changed. We have created mental concepts and found a way to measure parts of that mental concept, but our only connection to time is the passage from moment to moment, the now to the next now and so on.

When we hear something like "You'll Rot In Hell For Eternity", At first impression that sounds like being stuck in a bus station in Hoboken at 2:10 am waiting for the 6:30. Depending upon your frame of mind, your attention span and or the presence of a good book, (or absence) time could very well pass like an eternity in hell which entirely depends on the amount and condition of wino's present.

Point is, time and its passage is relative. While still in the physical body, one can not change its speed of 'passage'. OBE, out of the body experiences may offer a different aspect of the passage via astral travel and such using the various modes of perception / vehicles that Soul has at it's beck and call.

Short of everyone here taking up a collection and having one of us test a "machine" for a few weeks and then someone else here test it also, I wouldn't trust a Time Machine as far as it measured from side to side.
 

Ralan

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The River and Honey Theories

There is only one expression or consciousness or awareness of time that can be experienced while in the physical body. There is one and only one moment in time that we can possibly experience while in the physical body. That moment is the NOW. Our concept of \"Time\" is a series of succesive NOWS that are strung together like barges tethered to each other on a river. We are not in the past, it is gone. We are not in the future, it hasn't come yet.

Unfortunately the huge expansion and revision of the River theory is now locked in the impenetrable darkness of the Old Forum. What I posted here is just the early notes.

The revision went on to talk about Current Point in Time (CPT). I put an emphasis on what you describe here; we only truly experience one, undefinable, ever changing moment.
 

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