The True Story of the Philadelphia Experiment

TimeFlipper

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Ive included this video which hopefully is interesting to you, as it contains unusual aspects of the Philadelphia Experiment such as a smaller version of the equipment used on board the time-travelling ship, which was used to create a wormhole big enough to allow an aeroplane through it...
An alleged attack on a group of soldiers and a helicopter from a UFO.. and Tesla`s Egg of Columbus, which was a device to create the invisibility around the ship, which in 1970 a group of men replicated and allegedly made it work...they also said that back in 1943 it could have easily been built then...

 

Opmmur

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Broadcast a Signal on a Magnetic Field.
A Magnetic field created with an audio AC voltage can be picked up and heard with a pickup coil plugged into a small amplifier. This magnetic field can be made to fill an entire house by running one turn of copper wire around the house and driving it with the speaker output of a small transistor radio.

Why does this magnetic field fill the entire house?
This experiment shows that the size of a magnetic field has nothing to do with its strength but with the size of the coil that produces it. Try the above experiment again but instead of driving the wire around the house, drive a loop that is only 3 inches in diameter and see how far you can get and still hear the signal. You will only get a few feet at best. Imagine having a loop of wire around the earth! The earths magnetic field is a large one; one that acts as though it were produced by a huge current carrying coil wrapped around the earth out in space. The earths magnetic field is not a strong one but an observer can travel many miles without noticing much difference in its intensity. A magnetic field produced by a small coil will diminish greatly when observed only a few feet away. If one could make a coil around the earth and drive it as in the above experiment, you could probably pick up the sound from anywhere on the planet.

The drawing shows why this is so. Notice that all of the lines inside of the coil are all running the same direction. These lines will all have a similar influence on a pickup coil that is placed anywhere in the coil. Notice however, that the lines of force at a considerable distance from the coil tend to be going in opposite directions and thus tend to cancel each other.

So now we can start to see why radio waves travel so far!
It is my belief that radio waves are nothing more than a simple magnetic field as described above, that is produced as though it came from part of an infinitely large coil. How can this be. Normally, we think of a complete circuit being required in order to carry current through a wire. It is this current that produces the magnetic field. In the case of AC however, current can flow through a wire back and forth if the wire is long enough. A complete circuit is just plain not necessary. At radio frequencies, the wire does not have to be very long in order to get current to flow back and forth without a complete circuit. A simple piece of wire stuck into the air will radiate a magnetic field and thus radiate a radio signal if it is driven with an ac signal that is high enough in frequency to make significant current flow through it. There is no "other side" of the coil to create any cancelling magnetic fields as you get far away from the antenna.

Rite about now you may be asking, "What about a Loop Antenna?" The answer is that the transmitting Loop Antenna is usually of significant size in comparison to the wavelength of the radio signal being radiated. This means that the magnetic fields from the loop cancel in some places and actually reinforce each other in other places.

That's it!! A piece of wire stuck up in the air makes a great antenna as long as an ac current can be driven through it. The only reason very low frequencies are not normally used for radio communication, is because of the prohibitively long lengths of wire required to make an antenna. If the wire is not long enough, the current arrives at the end long before it is time to reverse and flow in the opposite direction. At high frequencies, the current keeps reversing before the electrons can travel very far in the wire and thus AC current flow is possible in a reasonably short wire.

Misconception No. One!!

1. Radio frequencies are always higher than those of sound.
When we are taught about the spectrum of frequencies, we tend to get the misconception that radio frequencies are always higher than audio frequencies and that the main difference between an audio signal and a radio signal is their frequencies. Nothing can be farther from the truth. The main difference between an audio signal and a radio signal is that an audio signal is vibrating air and a radio signal is a vibrating magnetic field. Radio frequencies are part of the electromagnetic spectrum and sound is part of the acoustic spectrum. Even though Sound and Radio signals involve two separate mediums or spectra, their frequency ranges can certainly overlap. Audio signals in the air can be produced at frequencies well into the multi tens of kilocycles, while radio signals can be produced at frequencies way down into the audio spectrum or lower. As stated above, radio signals in the audio frequency range are less common because of the very long antennas needed to radiate them.

Misconception no. Two!!
Standing Wave Ratio is a sacred antenna parameter!!!

If you study a lot of antenna literature, particularly that written for Ham Radio operators, you will get the impression that proper Standing Wave Ratio is the sacred key to good antenna performance. Actually, Standing Wave meters are mostly the result of modern radio transmitters being designed to drive only 50 ohm output loads. The easiest way to get a finger on matching an antenna system to this 50 ohm transmitter is to use a meter that tells if the load is matched to 50 ohms. Someone decided to get everyone involved in looking at the concept of "Standing Wave Ratio" instead of that of "Impedance Matching". In a way, the SWR meter gives an indication of both. It would have been a lot easier if they had put the emphasis on the concept of "Impedance matching" instead of "Standing Wave Ratio". The impedance matching concept is much more intuitive and is more of the real issue than the concept of standing wave ratios. The standing wave concept, being less intuitive, does not get to the real issue at hand. Many "Experts" talk above everyone and sound smart because no one can understand them. Of course they are hard to understand because they are not always making complete sense.

Impedance matching, by the way, is basically a concept of how some antennas can act like a 12 volt 50 watt light bulb or a 110 volt 50 watt light bulb. A power source for the 12 volt bulb will need to supply more current at less voltage and the power supply for the 110 volt bulb will need to supply more voltage at less current. Since different antennas can have different impedances, the transmitter must be able to supply power at different impedances.

This misconception about standing wave ratio is not just my own opinion. A good book on the subject is written by Walter Maxwell W2DU, an antenna specialist in the space program. His book is called "Reflections" and is published by the American Radio Relay League. It goes into great detail about the misconceptions surrounding "Standing Wave Ratio".

One of the best sources of Ham Radio literature on antennas is the Fifteenth edition of the ARRL Antenna Book copyright 1988. This edition finally makes a lot more sense when it comes to antennas.
 

TimeFlipper

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Quoting the previous posting and its first paragraph: A magnetic field "created" with an Audio AC can be heard with a pick up coil plugged into a small amplifier..
This magnetic field can be made to fill an entire house by running one turn of copper wire around the house and driving it with the speaker output of a small transistor radio...

Essentially what is being said is that a standard electro-magnetic wave has been made and put into an antenna, along with a receiver to hear it...
A basic radio transmitter creates an Alternating Current output (AC), that is derived from Voltage divided by Resistance and contains an "impressed or synthesised" audio wave, which in turn is fed into a suitable antenna that converts it into a standard electro-magnetic radio wave... Or i have been tutored very badly.

Standing Waves are borrowed from physics...We have in our Amateur Radio transceivers a built in Standing Wave Ratio (SWR) meter, which is essentially an impedance monitor for the antenna..If the SWR meter registers 1:1 (one to one), that means we have a perfect match from the transmitter output to the Antenna input...However if the meter registers 1:10 (one to ten), then we have a serious problem in the form of the output from the transmitter is being blocked from getting into the antenna...This is caused by the hypothetical standing waves originating from the antenna, and consequently we have a build up of power going nowhere, which is rapidly building up in the transceivers output and results in a part of the transceiver literally blowing up!...

Briefly, the way we avoid that happening, is when we first switch on our transceivers we make sure the power output is very very low, and then we transmit...If the SWR meter is reading for example1:10, we know that there must be a problem with the antenna...Either it has been blown over by winds or one of the leads going to the antenna from the transceiver has been disconnected, probably by winds...and of course we rectify the situation (y) :D..
 
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Einstein

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Opmmur

Apparently I was educated with knowledge that is different from both you and TimeFlipper. I've commented quite frequently on the phony education I was given. Back when I was in school I took an electronics course in high school. It was all tubes back then. But I do recall my instructor telling us all that an antenna just radiates electric waves. I've never had reason to doubt that until last week. Of course I've continued my electronics education since high school. I'm very proficient in reading an electronics schematic. I've built lots of devices just from a schematic alone. I've also designed and built my own gadgets too. I've learned quite a few facts about circuits too. One fact that I've learned is that a capacitor in a circuit will pass a voltage through it. But it will block a current. If the capacitor does pass a current, then you've got a shorted defective capacitor. The rule for current, both AC and DC, is in order to have a current in a circuit, there has to be a source of current and a return path for the current. Both source and return have to be present. Take away either one or the other and no current will be present. I've never come across a circuit that operated differently from these basic facts.

Now I will admit that I have no experience at all in working with transmitter circuits. But I have read lots of schematics on them. All the schematics I've seen so far, show the antenna is always connected to a capacitor. And the antenna as shown in the schematics has no source or return path depicted for current. So based on what I see in the schematics, the antenna is only connected to a voltage source, with no current source or return path depicted. That would be in agreement with what I was taught that an antenna only radiates a voltage wave. However since TimeFlipper introduced me to this alternate information this last week, I've been busy researching to see if there was any support for current existing in a dipole antenna. Apparently the educational community is now teaching it this way. Why the change? I haven't come across a reason for the change yet. You guys must know me by now when I come across conflicting sources of information. I usually call BullShit. This puts into question the validity of the info presented. Just like the Physics book. The educational community is trying to hide something. I've mentioned in the past that info on Michael Faraday is getting harder and harder to find on the internet. The educational community is attempting to rewrite history by replacing Faraday with some guy named Flemming. And of course the knowledge being presented by Flemming is BullShit. So just be aware that the knowledge about electromagnetic induction as currently taught in the schools is not true.

So how do we find out the truth? You know me. I'm a hands on guy. I'll go do some experiments with antennas just to find out if there is any current present during transmission. I'll just construct a simple amp probe from a circular ferrite inductor with a few turns of wire wound through the inductor, to serve as a magnetic field detection tool. If there is a magnetic field present I will detect it. I'm pretty sure I can find a walkie talkie around here somewhere to use for test purposes.

I do think your idea of a loop antenna would satisfy the current rules of conduction. Since the loop does provide a continuous unbroken path for the AC current to flow. So a loop antenna connected to a properly tuned voltage induction circuit should produce an EM wave output.

However I have never come across any circuit that radiates just a magnetic field without a voltage field also present. But I'll admit it wouldn't be hard to make one for experimental purposes.
 

Opmmur

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A great Ham Radio post timeFipper. Most members here may not understand the post, it is one of many things
you would need to think about when building a real working Time Machine.

Einstein, I want to commend you on a great post about the real world of electronics as it was taught when you and I were in school, a lot of the things that I build as a kid was around the use of tubes. Then came solid-state devices which mimicked the old tubes with high impedance inputs better known as field effect transistors and let us not forget alpha and beta calculations of transistors. About 40 years ago I tried to patent a new transistor. With the substrate of very soft metal and the harder you pushed it, the more magnetic the soft metal became. I guess it's one of the many inventions that may be re-discovered in decades to come. Another device that I worked on but couldn't pull the money together to build a electric generator that generated high current DC or AC to run electric motors which could be put in Cadillacs or Lincolns and they would perform almost as good as a Corvette. Yes, I've had my good and bad days over the last 50 years of research and every day is a new learning day.

Professor Opmmur
 
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TimeFlipper

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Prof, im hoping that our members understood my explanation of how the hypothetical standing waves and standing wave ratio`s work, and if they didnt then its my fault and not theres (y)..

@Einstein If you use Ferrite with a few turns of copper wire wound around it, you will basically make an antenna..and if you use a walkie talkie near to it, the RF from it will be picked up and the Ferrite will intensify the magnetic component of the RF, inside the copper coil...So you will obviously discover a magnetic field..(y).

I think we are moving off topic now guys....
 

Opmmur

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I think we are moving off topic now guys....
TimeFlipper, Today at 12:23 PM

I really don't think were off topic that much. We are all learning from other members about theories and probable information required to build or duplicate the Philadelphia experiment as well as other time travel endeavors. By sharing knowledge we all walk away from the post with a greater understanding about time travel. In nearly all cases electronics are involved when it comes to stimulating portal openings and/or teleportation, invisibility and so on.

I have learned a few things that I never knew which the posts contained herein and I'm sure others have also gained little tidbits of knowledge which they can build on. I'm happy that this thread and other recent threads are exploring the electronic side of time travel stimulation techniques.
 

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duplicate the Philadelphia experiment .......... is not a good idea.

The process punched through the dimension by mistake....what one needs is a very high Tesla like 50 Tesla and move away from here to somewhere....that is not what they had and hence the trouble and aliens had to come and fix it...

But you can stay invisible in a smaller magnetic field....is their a phase structure with two magnetic fields...???
 
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TimeFlipper

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You are correct that a story was given out that the Philadelphia Experiment was a mistake, due to an incorrect phase shift angle..
Personally i believe it wasnt an error.. The scientists knew exactly what they were doing, but by saying it was an error they could absolve themselves of the blame that half the ships crew went missing and others were found to be dying from being somehow merged into the upper deck of the ship, and were shot dead, allegedly...

Tesla Coils were supposed to be used on board the ship...Some writers say there were four Tesla Coils, two forward and two aft, which were driven from a generator and produced a magnetic field around the top section of the ship....Others say a single large Tesla coil was made which was very near to the main mast of the ship...

Aliens were not responsible for correcting anything that went wrong on board the ship....John Von Neuman became involved in finding out why half the ships crew had disappeared and why others were drifting in and out of our dimension, allegedly...
 
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