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Part #9 mIRC; Alexanders chat logs for Feb. 17, 2004: Alexander was a friend of John Titor
mIRC Feb. 17, 2004; Alexanders chat thanks to KPAX
Posted by: Professor Opmmur
Session Start: February 17, 20:21, 2004
Session Ident: #TimeTravellersInn
Session Start: Mon Feb 16 23:50:07 2004
Start: Tue Feb 17 00:00:01 2004 Part #8
Session Ident: #AlexanderTTSpeaks
[00:00] <Thelper> haa haa haa
[00:00] <Nvragnevr> youre not encouraging me, alex
[00:00] <Thelper> he spent most his live in a war
[00:00] <Nvragnevr> H1, opmmur, do you understand my point now?
[00:00] <H1t|M4n> Yes
[00:00] <AlexanderTT> please you must understand, my situation, and we must talk so that I can understand, I am quite dumb compared to you
[00:00] <Thelper> I doubt he had time to studie normal maths let alone applied
[00:00] <Nvragnevr> ok...opmmur, do you see my point also?
[00:01] <Thelper> just pointing out obvious kpax
[00:01] <AlexanderTT> Nvragnevr, I never had an education as you had
[00:01] <Nvragnevr> alex...please listen to me
[00:01] <Nvragnevr> and the rest of you also
[00:01] <AlexanderTT> and physics was the last thing on our mind while fighting in the wilderness
[00:01] <Nvragnevr> and please, for once, nobody yak in here, ok?\
[00:01] <Nvragnevr> i have spent a lot of time, around real scientists, doing real science
[00:01] <AlexanderTT> i will give you that respect if you return it
[00:02] <Nvragnevr> fine, i hear you alex
[00:02] <Nvragnevr> if you claim to have an actual device, or know of one, i am waiting for specifics
[00:02] <AlexanderTT> i will tell you all that I know
[00:02] <Nvragnevr> i have worked in electrophysics and signal processing for many years...also medical instrumntation
[00:03] <Nvragnevr> i hold a double b\BS, triple MS, in engineeringh physics, math, and the biosciences
[00:03] <Nvragnevr> i am for real
[00:03] <Nvragnevr> if you have serious topics to discuss, i will listen seriously
[00:03] <Nvragnevr> however
[00:03] <Nvragnevr> i will not listen to total nonsense
[00:03] <Nvragnevr> completely unsubstantiated
[00:03] <Nvragnevr> now
[00:03] <AlexanderTT> Nvragnevr, are you aware of gravity and time being connected?
[00:03] <Nvragnevr> if you have serious technical aspects to discuss
[00:03] <Nvragnevr> please get about it
[00:03] <Nvragnevr> im waiting
[00:04] <Nvragnevr> well?
[00:04] <AlexanderTT> what do you want to know
[00:04] <Nvragnevr> in what sense are you referring to?
[00:04] <AlexanderTT> gravity is not a force, it is part of the 4th dimension, you call this space-time
[00:04] <Nvragnevr> that is just stupid, alex
[00:05] <AlexanderTT> ever wondered if you could go through a black hole
[00:05] <Thelper> nvr
[00:05] <Nvragnevr> lets get back to some real basics here
[00:05] <AlexanderTT> I can explain how you can
[00:05] <Thelper> do you even know of the 5th dimention?
[00:05] <Nvragnevr> i understand, thelper
[00:05] <Nvragnevr> i hear you
[00:05] <Nvragnevr> first
[00:05] <Nvragnevr> do any of you even know the difference between general and special relativity?
[00:05] <Nvragnevr> do any of you even know who lorentz was?
[00:06] <Nvragnevr> what what the lorentz transformation is?
[00:06] <Thelper> pysics are wrong this will be found out in late future
[00:06] <AlexanderTT> general relativity applies the rule of not being able to travel faster than light
[00:06] <Nvragnevr> or what riemannian space time actually implies?
[00:06] <Nvragnevr> no, alex
[00:06] <Nvragnevr> special relativity defines that
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[00:06] <AlexanderTT> i have the lorentz transformation
[00:06] <Nvragnevr> not general
[00:06] <AlexanderTT> its in my manual
[00:06] * GearBrains sets mode: +v algol_aida
[00:06] <Thelper> I know what happens when you die, and I know you would only believe me when you die yourself so ill wait to then then contact your in your new home
[00:07] <Nvragnevr> and before you go into such things
[00:07] <Nvragnevr> how much electromagnetics do any of you know?
[00:07] <Nvragnevr> because
[00:07] <Thelper> nvr I can tavel at the speed of light
[00:07] <Thelper> already
[00:07] <Thelper> and so can you
[00:07] <Nvragnevr> before you can even discuss relativity intelligently
[00:07] <Nvragnevr> that is absolutely requisite
[00:07] <Nvragnevr> thelper, please do not waste my time with nonsense
[00:07] <Thelper> yes wait till you die
[00:07] <AlexanderTT> Nvragnevr, relativity forbids time travel
[00:07] <Thelper> then we see who right k?
[00:08] <Nvragnevr> if you wish to have an intelligent discussion about the soul, i am willing
[00:08] <Nvragnevr> but
[00:08] <AlexanderTT> thats like saying newton applies to quantum mechanics
[00:08] <Nvragnevr> you are speaking with no knowledge, and in total ignorance of relevant physics
[00:08] <Thelper> I can but ill let you talk to alex
[00:08] <Nvragnevr> now
[00:08] <Nvragnevr> if you want me explain my views, i will
[00:09] <AlexanderTT> yes, and I have admitted I have no formal traning in these matters
[00:09] <Thelper> physics are wrong this is what is holding you back
[00:09] <Thelper> you will learn this in future
[00:09] <Nvragnevr> thelper, that is absurd, and childish
[00:09] <AlexanderTT> explain your views Nvragnevr, I am listening
[00:09] <AlexanderTT> it might sound familier to me
[00:09] <AlexanderTT> please
[00:09] <Nvragnevr> you want me to change topics?
[00:10] <AlexanderTT> explain your views on science behind time travel, is it possible and how?
[00:10] <Nvragnevr> there are serious aspects of time reversal that do occur routinely in physics and engineering
[00:10] <Nvragnevr> albeit not for such spectacular reasons
[00:10] <Nvragnevr> generally
[00:11] <Nvragnevr> time reversal occurs due due to complex conjugacy
[00:11] <Nvragnevr> which requires a fair level of complex variable theory to follow
[00:11] <AlexanderTT> no you are already starting out wrong, I DID NOT TRULY TRAVEL TIME, I traveled to your worldline which is behind us in relation to our current calender
[00:12] <Nvragnevr> alex, cut the nonsense, ok?
[00:12] <AlexanderTT> wew cannot travel through time literally
[00:12] <Nvragnevr> please
[00:12] <Nvragnevr> if you want a serious discussion, i will have one
[00:12] <Nvragnevr> however
[00:12] <AlexanderTT> go on
[00:12] <Nvragnevr> i will not listen to that sort of BS, ok?
[00:12] <Nvragnevr> yes?
[00:12] <Nvragnevr> YES?
[00:12] <Nvragnevr> im waiting, alex
[00:12] <AlexanderTT> i am just pointing out that you assumed I traveled the same time line backwards
[00:13] <Nvragnevr> alex, stop bandying terminology you clearly do not understand, ok?
[00:13] <AlexanderTT> that is not possible
[00:13] <Nvragnevr> please
[00:13] <Nvragnevr> now
[00:13] <Nvragnevr> an example of time reversal in physics, occurs in convolution
[00:13] <Nvragnevr> and the concept of an impuslse response
[00:14] <Nvragnevr> one speaks of an impuse response being convolved with a time function
[00:14] <Nvragnevr> however
[00:14] <Nvragnevr> physicslly, one passes over the other time reversed
[00:14] <Nvragnevr> which is standard physics
[00:14] <Nvragnevr> next
[00:14] <Nvragnevr> there is such a thing as an an adjoint operator
[00:15] <Nvragnevr> in hamiltonian physics
[00:15] <Nvragnevr> arising also in quantum mechanics
[00:15] <Nvragnevr> which involves the complex conjugate of the transpose of the elements of a matrix
[00:15] <Nvragnevr> that is very real, and does occur
[00:16] <Nvragnevr> the reason time reversal often occurs in physics, is that normally, time solutions tent to be harmonic
[00:16] <Nvragnevr> sinusoidal
[00:16] <Nvragnevr> and thus exponential
[00:16] <AlexanderTT> sounds familier
[00:16] <Link22> i think you've slammed him already..haa haa haa
[00:16] <Nvragnevr> solutions fo differential equations often involve solving for eigenvalues
[00:17] <Nvragnevr> those eigenvalues are often complex conjugates of one another, reflections in time or position
[00:17] <Nvragnevr> an example occurs in cojugate optics
[00:17] <Nvragnevr> especially in holographic generation
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[00:18] <Nvragnevr> Fourier optics also uses that feature constantly
[00:18] * GearBrains sets mode: +v catman1
[00:18] <Nvragnevr> i trust i am making my point?
[00:18] <Nvragnevr> now
[00:18] <Nvragnevr> if you want serious, i will be serious
[00:18] <AlexanderTT> you have not adressed anything that applies to the science that got me here
[00:18] <Nvragnevr> when you even remotely understand those concepts, come and talk to me
[00:18] <AlexanderTT> you think of your universe as just that uni
[00:19] <KPAX> and that was all she wrote
[00:19] <KPAX> ROFL
[00:19] <Nvragnevr> your science, if real, is based on that level of knowledge
[00:19] <Nvragnevr> understand it, have an intelligent discussion about it
[00:19] <AlexanderTT> yes I can copy and paste too KPAX, even if it doesnt apply
[00:19] <Nvragnevr> and MAYBE i MIGHT believe you
[00:19] <Nvragnevr> till then what you are saying is total BS
[00:19] <Link22> i don't think the science of today is gonna be so unkown in 30 years
[00:19] <AlexanderTT> Nvragnevr, you do not want to have a conversation you just wanted to copy and paste those messages and then leave
[00:20] <Nvragnevr> do i make myself clear?
[00:20] <AlexanderTT> calling that proof
[00:20] <AlexanderTT> you will not address my questions or comments, you call it BS
[00:20] <Nvragnevr> if you have technical details, present them
[00:20] <catman1> hello Alex
[00:20] <Nvragnevr> i will listen
[00:20] <Nvragnevr> im listening
[00:20] <Nvragnevr> explain
[00:20] <AlexanderTT> are you aware of the theories behind event horizons?
[00:21] <Nvragnevr> certainly
[00:21] <Nvragnevr> relate those to your device please
[00:21] <AlexanderTT> first your views on why we cannot enter them, if you please, and I'll explain why you can
[00:21] <Link22> haa haa haa
[00:21] * GearBrains feels like Jethro Bodine at a Einstein convention!
[00:21] <Thelper> kpax that proves nothing, as he stated most you think that there only oner universe/dimention but this is wrong when you die you transcend to the 5th dimention which is made of many plains "you ppl are correct it is 7 plains" from my knowledge astral projection is your other body tuning into this to actually gain access to the plain you must fist meet your egos these are negative thoughts that your physical body possesses, they may even manife
[00:22] <Link22> you know it's hard to take someone with such horrible grammar so seriously
[00:22] <AlexanderTT> thelper I appreciate the help but wait untill later to comment, thank you
[00:22] <Nvragnevr> first, the concept of a wormhole does arise at extremely high energies, that cannot be duplicated here
[00:22] <AlexanderTT> no not wormhole
[00:22] <AlexanderTT> event horizon of a black hole
[00:22] <Thelper> as I said link22 I do not speak with a togue in my time
[00:22] <Nvragnevr> for what you are describing to occur would require at least fusion power...minimum
[00:22] <Thelper> im onyl learning english now as it is necessary
[00:22] <AlexanderTT> you have yet to address the simple matter of being stretched to infinity as aproachin it
[00:22] <Link22> you don't need a tongue to type and spell
[00:23] <Nvragnevr> that is nonsense...i fully understand the concept of event horizon of a black hole
[00:23] <Nvragnevr> and they cannot be duplicated here
[00:23] <AlexanderTT> then why can you not enter one?
[00:23] <AlexanderTT> i will explain why you can after you explain why you cannot
[00:23] <Nvragnevr> are you referring to divergence again?
[00:23] <AlexanderTT> no
[00:24] <Nvragnevr> then what?
[00:24] <Nvragnevr> i have a limit to my astrophysics, i have done a fair amount of particle physics
[00:24] <Nvragnevr> up through cross section
[00:24] <Nvragnevr> mandelstam variables
[00:24] <AlexanderTT> i am referring to having infinite difference between gravity pull in front of you and behind you as you approach the horizon
[00:24] <Nvragnevr> the dirac equation
[00:24] <Nvragnevr> ok, i follow
[00:24] <AlexanderTT> ok
[00:25] <AlexanderTT> lets move on to why this would not be a problem
[00:25] <Nvragnevr> as i understood the matter, a black hole is a singularity
[00:25] <AlexanderTT> yes, but we have not reached the singularity yet, we are apraoching
[00:25] <Nvragnevr> where graviational field lines diverge
[00:26] <AlexanderTT> the singularity lies beyond the event horizon, where not even light can come back
[00:26] <AlexanderTT> do you follow
[00:26] <Nvragnevr> i want you to please relate that to explicit technology
[00:26] <Nvragnevr> if you know explicit technology, discuss it
[00:26] <Nvragnevr> obviously , i follow
[00:26] <Nvragnevr> i want you to relate that to specific technology
[00:27] <Nvragnevr> the level of power required, let along the energy levels, would require controlled fusion
[00:27] <Nvragnevr> on a tokamak level
[00:27] <AlexanderTT> you have not created an artificial black hole yet
[00:27] <Nvragnevr> discuss the specifics of your technology NOW, please
[00:27] <AlexanderTT> i am speaking of natural black holes and your current understanding of them
[00:28] <Nvragnevr> i have a reasonable grasp of the concept
[00:28] <Nvragnevr> please relate that to you technology
[00:28] <Nvragnevr> if you are for real, relate that to an explicit device, please
[00:29] <AlexanderTT> as you aproach the event horizon the force of gravity would be enough to stretch you out almost infinitely, this is not a problem due to the fact that gravityies force os so strong it breaks down the laws of physics, allowing you to be strectched
[00:29] <Nvragnevr> i am not a happy camper, alex
[00:29] <Nvragnevr> i want specifics
[00:29] <AlexanderTT> now lets continue ,I promise to get to the C404 in a minute
[00:29] <Nvragnevr> now, please
mIRC Feb. 17, 2004; Alexanders chat thanks to KPAX
Posted by: Professor Opmmur
Session Start: February 17, 20:21, 2004
Session Ident: #TimeTravellersInn
Session Start: Mon Feb 16 23:50:07 2004
Start: Tue Feb 17 00:00:01 2004 Part #8
Session Ident: #AlexanderTTSpeaks
[00:00] <Thelper> haa haa haa
[00:00] <Nvragnevr> youre not encouraging me, alex
[00:00] <Thelper> he spent most his live in a war
[00:00] <Nvragnevr> H1, opmmur, do you understand my point now?
[00:00] <H1t|M4n> Yes
[00:00] <AlexanderTT> please you must understand, my situation, and we must talk so that I can understand, I am quite dumb compared to you
[00:00] <Thelper> I doubt he had time to studie normal maths let alone applied
[00:00] <Nvragnevr> ok...opmmur, do you see my point also?
[00:01] <Thelper> just pointing out obvious kpax
[00:01] <AlexanderTT> Nvragnevr, I never had an education as you had
[00:01] <Nvragnevr> alex...please listen to me
[00:01] <Nvragnevr> and the rest of you also
[00:01] <AlexanderTT> and physics was the last thing on our mind while fighting in the wilderness
[00:01] <Nvragnevr> and please, for once, nobody yak in here, ok?\
[00:01] <Nvragnevr> i have spent a lot of time, around real scientists, doing real science
[00:01] <AlexanderTT> i will give you that respect if you return it
[00:02] <Nvragnevr> fine, i hear you alex
[00:02] <Nvragnevr> if you claim to have an actual device, or know of one, i am waiting for specifics
[00:02] <AlexanderTT> i will tell you all that I know
[00:02] <Nvragnevr> i have worked in electrophysics and signal processing for many years...also medical instrumntation
[00:03] <Nvragnevr> i hold a double b\BS, triple MS, in engineeringh physics, math, and the biosciences
[00:03] <Nvragnevr> i am for real
[00:03] <Nvragnevr> if you have serious topics to discuss, i will listen seriously
[00:03] <Nvragnevr> however
[00:03] <Nvragnevr> i will not listen to total nonsense
[00:03] <Nvragnevr> completely unsubstantiated
[00:03] <Nvragnevr> now
[00:03] <AlexanderTT> Nvragnevr, are you aware of gravity and time being connected?
[00:03] <Nvragnevr> if you have serious technical aspects to discuss
[00:03] <Nvragnevr> please get about it
[00:03] <Nvragnevr> im waiting
[00:04] <Nvragnevr> well?
[00:04] <AlexanderTT> what do you want to know
[00:04] <Nvragnevr> in what sense are you referring to?
[00:04] <AlexanderTT> gravity is not a force, it is part of the 4th dimension, you call this space-time
[00:04] <Nvragnevr> that is just stupid, alex
[00:05] <AlexanderTT> ever wondered if you could go through a black hole
[00:05] <Thelper> nvr
[00:05] <Nvragnevr> lets get back to some real basics here
[00:05] <AlexanderTT> I can explain how you can
[00:05] <Thelper> do you even know of the 5th dimention?
[00:05] <Nvragnevr> i understand, thelper
[00:05] <Nvragnevr> i hear you
[00:05] <Nvragnevr> first
[00:05] <Nvragnevr> do any of you even know the difference between general and special relativity?
[00:05] <Nvragnevr> do any of you even know who lorentz was?
[00:06] <Nvragnevr> what what the lorentz transformation is?
[00:06] <Thelper> pysics are wrong this will be found out in late future
[00:06] <AlexanderTT> general relativity applies the rule of not being able to travel faster than light
[00:06] <Nvragnevr> or what riemannian space time actually implies?
[00:06] <Nvragnevr> no, alex
[00:06] <Nvragnevr> special relativity defines that
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[00:06] <AlexanderTT> i have the lorentz transformation
[00:06] <Nvragnevr> not general
[00:06] <AlexanderTT> its in my manual
[00:06] * GearBrains sets mode: +v algol_aida
[00:06] <Thelper> I know what happens when you die, and I know you would only believe me when you die yourself so ill wait to then then contact your in your new home
[00:07] <Nvragnevr> and before you go into such things
[00:07] <Nvragnevr> how much electromagnetics do any of you know?
[00:07] <Nvragnevr> because
[00:07] <Thelper> nvr I can tavel at the speed of light
[00:07] <Thelper> already
[00:07] <Thelper> and so can you
[00:07] <Nvragnevr> before you can even discuss relativity intelligently
[00:07] <Nvragnevr> that is absolutely requisite
[00:07] <Nvragnevr> thelper, please do not waste my time with nonsense
[00:07] <Thelper> yes wait till you die
[00:07] <AlexanderTT> Nvragnevr, relativity forbids time travel
[00:07] <Thelper> then we see who right k?
[00:08] <Nvragnevr> if you wish to have an intelligent discussion about the soul, i am willing
[00:08] <Nvragnevr> but
[00:08] <AlexanderTT> thats like saying newton applies to quantum mechanics
[00:08] <Nvragnevr> you are speaking with no knowledge, and in total ignorance of relevant physics
[00:08] <Thelper> I can but ill let you talk to alex
[00:08] <Nvragnevr> now
[00:08] <Nvragnevr> if you want me explain my views, i will
[00:09] <AlexanderTT> yes, and I have admitted I have no formal traning in these matters
[00:09] <Thelper> physics are wrong this is what is holding you back
[00:09] <Thelper> you will learn this in future
[00:09] <Nvragnevr> thelper, that is absurd, and childish
[00:09] <AlexanderTT> explain your views Nvragnevr, I am listening
[00:09] <AlexanderTT> it might sound familier to me
[00:09] <AlexanderTT> please
[00:09] <Nvragnevr> you want me to change topics?
[00:10] <AlexanderTT> explain your views on science behind time travel, is it possible and how?
[00:10] <Nvragnevr> there are serious aspects of time reversal that do occur routinely in physics and engineering
[00:10] <Nvragnevr> albeit not for such spectacular reasons
[00:10] <Nvragnevr> generally
[00:11] <Nvragnevr> time reversal occurs due due to complex conjugacy
[00:11] <Nvragnevr> which requires a fair level of complex variable theory to follow
[00:11] <AlexanderTT> no you are already starting out wrong, I DID NOT TRULY TRAVEL TIME, I traveled to your worldline which is behind us in relation to our current calender
[00:12] <Nvragnevr> alex, cut the nonsense, ok?
[00:12] <AlexanderTT> wew cannot travel through time literally
[00:12] <Nvragnevr> please
[00:12] <Nvragnevr> if you want a serious discussion, i will have one
[00:12] <Nvragnevr> however
[00:12] <AlexanderTT> go on
[00:12] <Nvragnevr> i will not listen to that sort of BS, ok?
[00:12] <Nvragnevr> yes?
[00:12] <Nvragnevr> YES?
[00:12] <Nvragnevr> im waiting, alex
[00:12] <AlexanderTT> i am just pointing out that you assumed I traveled the same time line backwards
[00:13] <Nvragnevr> alex, stop bandying terminology you clearly do not understand, ok?
[00:13] <AlexanderTT> that is not possible
[00:13] <Nvragnevr> please
[00:13] <Nvragnevr> now
[00:13] <Nvragnevr> an example of time reversal in physics, occurs in convolution
[00:13] <Nvragnevr> and the concept of an impuslse response
[00:14] <Nvragnevr> one speaks of an impuse response being convolved with a time function
[00:14] <Nvragnevr> however
[00:14] <Nvragnevr> physicslly, one passes over the other time reversed
[00:14] <Nvragnevr> which is standard physics
[00:14] <Nvragnevr> next
[00:14] <Nvragnevr> there is such a thing as an an adjoint operator
[00:15] <Nvragnevr> in hamiltonian physics
[00:15] <Nvragnevr> arising also in quantum mechanics
[00:15] <Nvragnevr> which involves the complex conjugate of the transpose of the elements of a matrix
[00:15] <Nvragnevr> that is very real, and does occur
[00:16] <Nvragnevr> the reason time reversal often occurs in physics, is that normally, time solutions tent to be harmonic
[00:16] <Nvragnevr> sinusoidal
[00:16] <Nvragnevr> and thus exponential
[00:16] <AlexanderTT> sounds familier
[00:16] <Link22> i think you've slammed him already..haa haa haa
[00:16] <Nvragnevr> solutions fo differential equations often involve solving for eigenvalues
[00:17] <Nvragnevr> those eigenvalues are often complex conjugates of one another, reflections in time or position
[00:17] <Nvragnevr> an example occurs in cojugate optics
[00:17] <Nvragnevr> especially in holographic generation
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[00:18] <Nvragnevr> Fourier optics also uses that feature constantly
[00:18] * GearBrains sets mode: +v catman1
[00:18] <Nvragnevr> i trust i am making my point?
[00:18] <Nvragnevr> now
[00:18] <Nvragnevr> if you want serious, i will be serious
[00:18] <AlexanderTT> you have not adressed anything that applies to the science that got me here
[00:18] <Nvragnevr> when you even remotely understand those concepts, come and talk to me
[00:18] <AlexanderTT> you think of your universe as just that uni
[00:19] <KPAX> and that was all she wrote
[00:19] <KPAX> ROFL
[00:19] <Nvragnevr> your science, if real, is based on that level of knowledge
[00:19] <Nvragnevr> understand it, have an intelligent discussion about it
[00:19] <AlexanderTT> yes I can copy and paste too KPAX, even if it doesnt apply
[00:19] <Nvragnevr> and MAYBE i MIGHT believe you
[00:19] <Nvragnevr> till then what you are saying is total BS
[00:19] <Link22> i don't think the science of today is gonna be so unkown in 30 years
[00:19] <AlexanderTT> Nvragnevr, you do not want to have a conversation you just wanted to copy and paste those messages and then leave
[00:20] <Nvragnevr> do i make myself clear?
[00:20] <AlexanderTT> calling that proof
[00:20] <AlexanderTT> you will not address my questions or comments, you call it BS
[00:20] <Nvragnevr> if you have technical details, present them
[00:20] <catman1> hello Alex
[00:20] <Nvragnevr> i will listen
[00:20] <Nvragnevr> im listening
[00:20] <Nvragnevr> explain
[00:20] <AlexanderTT> are you aware of the theories behind event horizons?
[00:21] <Nvragnevr> certainly
[00:21] <Nvragnevr> relate those to your device please
[00:21] <AlexanderTT> first your views on why we cannot enter them, if you please, and I'll explain why you can
[00:21] <Link22> haa haa haa
[00:21] * GearBrains feels like Jethro Bodine at a Einstein convention!
[00:21] <Thelper> kpax that proves nothing, as he stated most you think that there only oner universe/dimention but this is wrong when you die you transcend to the 5th dimention which is made of many plains "you ppl are correct it is 7 plains" from my knowledge astral projection is your other body tuning into this to actually gain access to the plain you must fist meet your egos these are negative thoughts that your physical body possesses, they may even manife
[00:22] <Link22> you know it's hard to take someone with such horrible grammar so seriously
[00:22] <AlexanderTT> thelper I appreciate the help but wait untill later to comment, thank you
[00:22] <Nvragnevr> first, the concept of a wormhole does arise at extremely high energies, that cannot be duplicated here
[00:22] <AlexanderTT> no not wormhole
[00:22] <AlexanderTT> event horizon of a black hole
[00:22] <Thelper> as I said link22 I do not speak with a togue in my time
[00:22] <Nvragnevr> for what you are describing to occur would require at least fusion power...minimum
[00:22] <Thelper> im onyl learning english now as it is necessary
[00:22] <AlexanderTT> you have yet to address the simple matter of being stretched to infinity as aproachin it
[00:22] <Link22> you don't need a tongue to type and spell
[00:23] <Nvragnevr> that is nonsense...i fully understand the concept of event horizon of a black hole
[00:23] <Nvragnevr> and they cannot be duplicated here
[00:23] <AlexanderTT> then why can you not enter one?
[00:23] <AlexanderTT> i will explain why you can after you explain why you cannot
[00:23] <Nvragnevr> are you referring to divergence again?
[00:23] <AlexanderTT> no
[00:24] <Nvragnevr> then what?
[00:24] <Nvragnevr> i have a limit to my astrophysics, i have done a fair amount of particle physics
[00:24] <Nvragnevr> up through cross section
[00:24] <Nvragnevr> mandelstam variables
[00:24] <AlexanderTT> i am referring to having infinite difference between gravity pull in front of you and behind you as you approach the horizon
[00:24] <Nvragnevr> the dirac equation
[00:24] <Nvragnevr> ok, i follow
[00:24] <AlexanderTT> ok
[00:25] <AlexanderTT> lets move on to why this would not be a problem
[00:25] <Nvragnevr> as i understood the matter, a black hole is a singularity
[00:25] <AlexanderTT> yes, but we have not reached the singularity yet, we are apraoching
[00:25] <Nvragnevr> where graviational field lines diverge
[00:26] <AlexanderTT> the singularity lies beyond the event horizon, where not even light can come back
[00:26] <AlexanderTT> do you follow
[00:26] <Nvragnevr> i want you to please relate that to explicit technology
[00:26] <Nvragnevr> if you know explicit technology, discuss it
[00:26] <Nvragnevr> obviously , i follow
[00:26] <Nvragnevr> i want you to relate that to specific technology
[00:27] <Nvragnevr> the level of power required, let along the energy levels, would require controlled fusion
[00:27] <Nvragnevr> on a tokamak level
[00:27] <AlexanderTT> you have not created an artificial black hole yet
[00:27] <Nvragnevr> discuss the specifics of your technology NOW, please
[00:27] <AlexanderTT> i am speaking of natural black holes and your current understanding of them
[00:28] <Nvragnevr> i have a reasonable grasp of the concept
[00:28] <Nvragnevr> please relate that to you technology
[00:28] <Nvragnevr> if you are for real, relate that to an explicit device, please
[00:29] <AlexanderTT> as you aproach the event horizon the force of gravity would be enough to stretch you out almost infinitely, this is not a problem due to the fact that gravityies force os so strong it breaks down the laws of physics, allowing you to be strectched
[00:29] <Nvragnevr> i am not a happy camper, alex
[00:29] <Nvragnevr> i want specifics
[00:29] <AlexanderTT> now lets continue ,I promise to get to the C404 in a minute
[00:29] <Nvragnevr> now, please