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2012 ELECTION: Mitt Romney vs. Obama
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<blockquote data-quote="Samstwitch" data-source="post: 59668" data-attributes="member: 2770"><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #ccffff">[ATTACH=full]447[/ATTACH]</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #ccffff">It's a subject I hated to post a thread on, but I'm still undecided as to who (if either) will get my vote. I don't like voting for the lesser of two evils.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #ccffff">I didn't vote for Bush or Obama in 2008, I <em>wrote-in</em> a Candidate. My choice of Candidates were pushed out of the race by the Media and excluded from the Debates. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #00ff00">Both Obama and Romney have good points and bad...Voting for either of them scares the crap out of me!</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff"><span style="color: #ff00ff">This thread isn't really a debate thread.</span> I'm asking for LISTS of Pros and Cons to help us undecided voters decide who to vote for. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #00ff00">Here is my list of Pros and Cons: </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #00ff00">(There is more that I can't think of now. I will add in later Posts as I think of them. )</span></span></p><p> </p><p><u><span style="font-size: 18px"><u><span style="color: #99ccff"><strong>Romney - Cons</strong></span></u></span></u></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Wants to do away with Obamacare <em>(Although Obama says Mitt has the same healthcare plan in his state - it works too- only I think it's a better plan.)</em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Wants to do away with PBS</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Wants to do away with Family Planning <em>(Obama accused him of this, but Romney denied it, so maybe this isn't true)</em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Made derogatory remark about 47% of people consider themselves "victims"</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Doesn't want to raise taxes on the rich</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Supports off-shore drilling and nuclear power</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Wants to open trade with Latin or South America <em>(can't remember specifics, but we already have NAFTA which has ruined USA)</em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff"><span style="font-size: 18px">*Republican Presidents always make the rich richer, and the poor poorer</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff"><span style="font-size: 18px">Wants to invest more money in Military/Defense/etc</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff"><span style="font-size: 18px">Opposes gay marriage (I haven't researched this, but I suspect he's homophobic) </span></span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><u><span style="font-size: 18px"><u><span style="color: #99ccff"><strong>Romney - Pros</strong></span></u></span></u></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Wants to bring jobs to USA<em> (I think he can)</em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Wants to lower taxes on businesses to bring work back to USA <em><span style="font-size: 18px">(now 35% in USA, Canada is only 15%) </span></em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Wants to make China play by the rules, including put tariffs on China</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Wants to reduce Regulators on Businesses, too many now</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Wants to stop China from manipulating the currency</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">He'</span></span><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">s a great businessman & successful record all around <em>(i.e., as Governor, in business, and helped Olympics get on track)</em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Has successful track record as Governor</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">He balanced the state budget all 4 years during his term as Governor</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Has successful healthcare program in his state</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Schools in his state ranked Top in the nation</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Has ideas about lowering the price of gas</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Has ideas about resolving immigration problems</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Wants to expand energy sources in USA and get us energy -independant</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Wants to preserve and protect Medicare & Social Security</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">As Governor had more women on his staff than any other state in USA <em>(He </em>had his staff seek women professionals out to hire)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Served as Missionary for his church, served 10 years as Pastor in his Congregation<em> (I haven't researched his record, but he said this.)</em></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff"><strong><u>Obama - Cons</u></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">4-year Track record is bad</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Higher gas prices</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">More unemployment</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">More Homeless</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">More people on Food Stamps</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">No jobs for Students on his watch</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Doesn't support Israel the way he should <em>(I have much to say about this, but won't post it here. Prime Minister Netanyahu has spoken of this often.)</em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Caused higher deficit for USA</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Obama took office and gave away money to Americans when the USA was heavily in debt, putting us more in debt - Stupid! <em>(can't remember what it was called.) </em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">During the Debate, Obama didn't tell the truth about his statement of when he announced the true cause of attack in Libya...It <em>was</em> 14 days later! </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Stuff he says he'll do if re-elected, he should already done while in office</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff"><span style="font-size: 18px">He spent the last 2 years campaigning, when he should've been working, doing the job he was elected to do!</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">I still have questions about the validity of his Social Security number and Birth Certificate <em>(I've done the research)</em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">I think he's Muslim disguising himself as Christian. <em>(I researched this.)</em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">I don't believe the whole story about Osama's death and how it happened. <em>(I did the research. I think he's dead, but at a whole different place and time.) </em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Hasn't solved immigration problems</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Supports privileges and funding for immigrants that I don't</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Obamacare will cost Medicare recipients more money, and deter new jobs for small businesses</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">He is a Socialist, just as his father was.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><u><strong><span style="font-size: 18px"><u><span style="color: #99ccff">Obama - Pros</span></u></span></strong></u></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Supports Obamacare <em>(I want health care for all, but one that works.)</em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Is more concerned about the environment where energy resources are concerned</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Has better policies for gays</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">*Democrats are generally more concerned with poor and low-income </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Supports Family Planning, PBS, and other important programs</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Brought home troops from Iraq</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">Ending war in Afghanistan <em>(not fast enough for me)</em></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff"><strong><u>NEITHER ADDRESSED</u></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">What about NAFTA?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #99ccff">What about Foreign Aid?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #ff00ff">PLEASE NO POLITICAL ARGUMENTS ON THIS THREAD. I'M ASKING FOR LISTS OF PROS AND CONS. WE CAN ALL AGREE TO DISAGREE, AND STILL REMAIN FRIENDS.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 22px"><span style="color: #ff0000">PLEASE DO NOT REPOST THIS COMMENT!</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
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[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=5][COLOR=#99ccff]Hasn't solved immigration problems[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=5][COLOR=#99ccff]Supports privileges and funding for immigrants that I don't[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=5][COLOR=#99ccff]Obamacare will cost Medicare recipients more money, and deter new jobs for small businesses[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=5][COLOR=#99ccff]He is a Socialist, just as his father was.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [U][B][SIZE=5][U][COLOR=#99ccff]Obama - Pros[/COLOR][/U][/SIZE][/B][/U] [SIZE=5][COLOR=#99ccff]Supports Obamacare [I](I want health care for all, but one that works.)[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=5][COLOR=#99ccff]Is more concerned about the environment where energy resources are concerned[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=5][COLOR=#99ccff]Has better policies for gays[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=5][COLOR=#99ccff]*Democrats are generally more concerned with poor and low-income [/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=5][COLOR=#99ccff]Supports Family Planning, PBS, and other important programs[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=5][COLOR=#99ccff]Brought home troops from Iraq[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=5][COLOR=#99ccff]Ending war in Afghanistan [I](not fast enough for me)[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=5][COLOR=#99ccff][B][U]NEITHER ADDRESSED[/U][/B][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=5][COLOR=#99ccff]What about NAFTA?[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=5][COLOR=#99ccff]What about Foreign Aid?[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=5][COLOR=#ff00ff]PLEASE NO POLITICAL ARGUMENTS ON THIS THREAD. 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