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<blockquote data-quote="JDHollisterTitor" data-source="post: 87497" data-attributes="member: 5897"><p>"I'm not the infinite creator. There is no creator. I do exist."</p><p>Then you misunderstand the nature of the infinite, the nature of creation, the nature of the cosmos, and the link I gave you. You are also making a definite claim when there is solely evidence to the contrary.</p><p></p><p>"As for liberation, that depends on what you mean."</p><p>Well, I obviously meant what I linked to that you apparently did not read. </p><p></p><p>In <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism" target="_blank">Hinduism</a>, <strong>Brahman</strong> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English" target="_blank">/</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key" target="_blank">ˈbrɑːmən</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English" target="_blank">/</a>; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit_language" target="_blank">Sanskrit</a>: ब्रह्मन् <em>bráhman</em>) is "the unchanging reality amidst and beyond the world",<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman#cite_note-FOOTNOTEPuligandla1997222-1" target="_blank">[1]</a> which "cannot be exactly defined".<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman#cite_note-FOOTNOTESinari2000384-2" target="_blank">[2]</a> It has been described in Sanskrit as <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satcitananda" target="_blank">Sat-cit-ānanda</a></em> (being-consciousness-bliss)<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman#cite_note-FOOTNOTERaju1992228-3" target="_blank">[3]</a> and as the highest reality.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman#cite_note-FOOTNOTEPotter20086-7-4" target="_blank">[4]</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman#cite_note-5" target="_blank">[note 1]</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman#cite_note-8" target="_blank">[note 2]</a></p><p>Brahman is conceived as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%80tman_(Hinduism)" target="_blank">Atman</a>,<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman#cite_note-9" target="_blank">[note 3]</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_god" target="_blank">personal</a>,<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman#cite_note-10" target="_blank">[note 4]</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_(philosophy)" target="_blank">impersonal</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman#cite_note-11" target="_blank">[note 5]</a> or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Para_Brahman" target="_blank">Para Brahman</a>,<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman#cite_note-12" target="_blank">[note 6]</a> or in various combinations of these qualities depending on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Philosophy" target="_blank">philosophical school</a>.</p><p>According to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita" target="_blank">Advaita</a>, a liberated human being (<em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jivanmukta" target="_blank">jivanmukta</a></em>) has realised Brahman as his or her own <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%80tman_(Hinduism)" target="_blank">true self</a>.</p><p>The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isha_Upanishad" target="_blank">Isha Upanishad</a> says:</p><p>Auṃ – That supreme <em>Brahman</em> is infinite, and this conditioned <em>Brahman</em> is infinite. The infinite proceeds from infinite. If you subtract the infinite from the infinite, the infinite remains alone.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"See the point above regarding the infinite creator. As for post-human, it simply refers to the concept of surpassing our current form, changing who we are fundamentally, through technology. The set of real numbers is infinite, but you can still have numbers that come after other numbers. Any number after 5 is a "post-5" number."</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownian_ratchet" target="_blank">Brownian ratchet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>"If I can't understand what you're saying, then what you're saying is, to me, incomprehensible. It's not an objective thing, it's subjective. If you change how you say things, or I learn something that allows me to understand what you say, then it stops being incomprehensible to me. As it is, I lack that key, and you're unwilling to change, so we're at an impasse. "</p><p>However, that does not mean what I am saying is incomprehensible, it just means that you are unwilling to comprehend it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JDHollisterTitor, post: 87497, member: 5897"] "I'm not the infinite creator. There is no creator. I do exist." Then you misunderstand the nature of the infinite, the nature of creation, the nature of the cosmos, and the link I gave you. You are also making a definite claim when there is solely evidence to the contrary. "As for liberation, that depends on what you mean." Well, I obviously meant what I linked to that you apparently did not read. In [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism']Hinduism[/URL], [B]Brahman[/B] ([URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English']/[/URL][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key']ˈbrɑːmən[/URL][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English']/[/URL]; [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit_language']Sanskrit[/URL]: ब्रह्मन् [I]bráhman[/I]) is "the unchanging reality amidst and beyond the world",[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman#cite_note-FOOTNOTEPuligandla1997222-1'][1][/URL] which "cannot be exactly defined".[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman#cite_note-FOOTNOTESinari2000384-2'][2][/URL] It has been described in Sanskrit as [I][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satcitananda']Sat-cit-ānanda[/URL][/I] (being-consciousness-bliss)[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman#cite_note-FOOTNOTERaju1992228-3'][3][/URL] and as the highest reality.[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman#cite_note-FOOTNOTEPotter20086-7-4'][4][/URL][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman#cite_note-5'][note 1][/URL][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman#cite_note-8'][note 2][/URL] Brahman is conceived as [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%80tman_(Hinduism)']Atman[/URL],[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman#cite_note-9'][note 3][/URL] [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_god']personal[/URL],[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman#cite_note-10'][note 4][/URL] [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_(philosophy)']impersonal[/URL][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman#cite_note-11'][note 5][/URL] or [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Para_Brahman']Para Brahman[/URL],[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman#cite_note-12'][note 6][/URL] or in various combinations of these qualities depending on the [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Philosophy']philosophical school[/URL]. According to [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita']Advaita[/URL], a liberated human being ([I][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jivanmukta']jivanmukta[/URL][/I]) has realised Brahman as his or her own [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%80tman_(Hinduism)']true self[/URL]. The [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isha_Upanishad']Isha Upanishad[/URL] says: Auṃ – That supreme [I]Brahman[/I] is infinite, and this conditioned [I]Brahman[/I] is infinite. The infinite proceeds from infinite. If you subtract the infinite from the infinite, the infinite remains alone. "See the point above regarding the infinite creator. As for post-human, it simply refers to the concept of surpassing our current form, changing who we are fundamentally, through technology. The set of real numbers is infinite, but you can still have numbers that come after other numbers. Any number after 5 is a "post-5" number." [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownian_ratchet"]Brownian ratchet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url] "If I can't understand what you're saying, then what you're saying is, to me, incomprehensible. It's not an objective thing, it's subjective. If you change how you say things, or I learn something that allows me to understand what you say, then it stops being incomprehensible to me. As it is, I lack that key, and you're unwilling to change, so we're at an impasse. " However, that does not mean what I am saying is incomprehensible, it just means that you are unwilling to comprehend it. [/QUOTE]
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