Originally posted by Darkwolf@Nov 11 2004, 12:13 AM
Actually Paul, the maps do make a good point. The last civil war was largely an industrial vs. Agrarian conflict. At the time they were more defined as to region.
Plenty of farmers in Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, and Down East.
About the Civil War maps:
A specious comparison. I doubt that you'd be able to get Cary (or me) to start thinking of the Old Confederacy as the enemy in this conflict.
The country has been divided along the lines of urban/rural since its inception; and along the shifting line that kept moving West for 300 years. I know people all over the interior; I know people in Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico who live in the countryside and wouldn't vote Republican at gunpoint.
Let's stop trying to find ways to split the country up. Leave that for those who gain politically from divisiveness.
Originally posted by sinister@Nov 11 2004, 09:20 PM
The way I was taught to look at the Civil War was allong the lines of representation. The same way that we fought for our representation in the American Revolution, I believe that it was the same issue in the Civil War. The South felt that they did not have any representation in the gov't at the time. Lincoln had full control of the gov't similar to how Bush has control right now. Not having representation in a gov't that is supposed to be a republic is, in my opinion, the reason for revolution and/or secession. History is a precedent. All that has to happen is for a solid group to decide they are not represented in our gov't. I don't necessarily believe that this is what will happen in our country, I can see a military-lockdown, chaotic civil war more likely than a secession, but those are just my thoughts.
Originally posted by pauli@Nov 11 2004, 07:43 AM
... It just does no good to try and draw comparisons that are only there if we tweak history to fit pre-conceived ideas. The South lost an awful lot in the Civil War. They have, pretty much, moved beyond it (though I am sure you can find a few people who are still harboring that old grudge if you want.) Let's move on as well.