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<blockquote data-quote="Grayson" data-source="post: 43736" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Not necessarily. Chimps can reason as they do problem solve. Chimps have a sense of place and community and they do understand the Laws of their existence. Do they look at the Moon and try to imagine the mind of God? I don't know, but Man once did and he was no brighter than a chimp when he did so.Within their own culture, they are cognitive, coherent, cohesive and have self determination.</p><p></p><p>Ants have demonstrated their capacity to reason. You can tell this from the architecture of their living places. We know Ants have a Hivemind, is that the type of mind that can give them self determination? They seem to have their place in the cosmos pretty well sussed.</p><p></p><p>Or, are you saying that Man is alone in this simply because he can articulate man-made values? It isn't a cogent argument to say that simply because Man can articulate the architecture of his mind that he has consciousness above and beyond any other creature. Just because Dolphins don't build Nuclear weapons and then wrestle with the morality of their construction doesn't mean that they aren't conscious, or in possession of consciousness. In fact I would argue that a greater state of consciousness exists within any intelligent animal that doesn't try to destroy the world in which it lives. Dolphins may well have cogitated all the great human questions, delved into the quantum mysteries of the cosmos and then decided to have a good game of <em>chase-the-herring</em> instead as that offered pleasures beyond the cerebral.</p><p></p><p>It is arrogant beyond compare that Man judges by his standards. Even now the Dolphins may be visiting other worlds via means we can barely fathom and never detect. We don't know for a fact that they aren't. We just assume that they don't as we are their intellectual superiors.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Grayson, post: 43736, member: 18"] Not necessarily. Chimps can reason as they do problem solve. Chimps have a sense of place and community and they do understand the Laws of their existence. Do they look at the Moon and try to imagine the mind of God? I don't know, but Man once did and he was no brighter than a chimp when he did so.Within their own culture, they are cognitive, coherent, cohesive and have self determination. Ants have demonstrated their capacity to reason. You can tell this from the architecture of their living places. We know Ants have a Hivemind, is that the type of mind that can give them self determination? They seem to have their place in the cosmos pretty well sussed. Or, are you saying that Man is alone in this simply because he can articulate man-made values? It isn't a cogent argument to say that simply because Man can articulate the architecture of his mind that he has consciousness above and beyond any other creature. Just because Dolphins don't build Nuclear weapons and then wrestle with the morality of their construction doesn't mean that they aren't conscious, or in possession of consciousness. In fact I would argue that a greater state of consciousness exists within any intelligent animal that doesn't try to destroy the world in which it lives. Dolphins may well have cogitated all the great human questions, delved into the quantum mysteries of the cosmos and then decided to have a good game of [I]chase-the-herring[/I] instead as that offered pleasures beyond the cerebral. It is arrogant beyond compare that Man judges by his standards. Even now the Dolphins may be visiting other worlds via means we can barely fathom and never detect. We don't know for a fact that they aren't. We just assume that they don't as we are their intellectual superiors. [/QUOTE]
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