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<blockquote data-quote="Grayson" data-source="post: 44373" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>That's a generalisation with little or no merit. You may subscribe to the theory that some NWO has brainwashed us all into believeing that we are chattle, but in any nuclear family empirical evidence suggests that for the vast majority of us the foundation period of our youth is a halcyon period of joy, learning and feelings of value. This translates well into adult life where most people realise their feelings of value in their own families, their jobs, projects that undertake, hobbies that they enjoy, or simply in making someone else smile.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's pretty Zen, but of little value beyond the mystical, or as pop psychology.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The architecture of the human psyche doesn't really lend itself to such a simplistic treatment as you have given it here. The human personality is not an artificial construct, even though you have added a caveat to state that it is also natural. We can ignore that contradiction in this context as I get what you are saying. The human personality, the interactive face of the human psyche, isn't artificial in any sense no matter what conditions you add after the fact. Personality is the accretion of each and every thought, feeling, communication and sensation that we have ever enjoyed wrapping themselves around our capacity to think, feel, talk and eat. All humans have a personality and the complex interplay of our emotional states, the ability to smile, dictate that we have had these facets of self since humans first began to walk... probably even before that as chimps do.</p><p></p><p>Belief systems in this context are therefore irrelevant, as humans have had personality architecture far longer than they have held up any belief systems to guide them. A belief system is the artificial construct in this and a fairly recent invention too as far as human evolution goes. Belief systems fail in the face of fundamental human emotions, manifestations of personality, so to use something so fundamentally flawed and capable of being ignored by heightened states of being rather undermines the following assumptions.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Law 1: Prove that I exist.</p><p></p><p>Law 2: Creation must be seperate from the creator, for they existed before it. Once there was just the creator and then there was everything else. It was created, therefore it is artificial, the creator must be natural for they have always been. The unnatural cannot be part of the natural, unless you have some caveat to cover this natural/artificial amalgam.</p><p></p><p>Law 3: What?</p><p></p><p>Law 4: Why is change constant? You sound like a management consultant when you do that. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite39" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, if you accept your own argument about belief systems, then you may often as not choose to do something for the most spurious of reasons. How many times have I heard someone say, 'Why did I do that'?</p><p></p><p>I am not R Daneel Olivaw, there are no Laws of Robotics that govern what I do, or do not. My thoughts are ephemeral, my beliefs transient and subject to new experiences, new data, last nights meal, sex with the wife this morning, and yet eternal as some of me will rub off on my children, I am of the moment, of my past and hoping for my future. Perception has nothing to do with it, I act in the now subject to all that was, on instinct, even if I have thought about my actions, wants and needs. Human personality is a Mayflay, human actions defy Laws.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh yeah.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not what you said, rather the way you said it.</p><p></p><p><em><strong>Mod Edit: Just a note, the original topic for this thread can be found here:</strong></em></p><p><em><strong><a href="http://paranormalis.com/threads/timetravel_-1.2729/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #37842d">http://paranormalis.com/threads/timetravel_-1.2729/</span></a></strong></em></p><p></p><p><em><strong>This thread is for the debunking and dissection of that conversation.</strong></em></p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Grayson, post: 44373, member: 18"] That's a generalisation with little or no merit. You may subscribe to the theory that some NWO has brainwashed us all into believeing that we are chattle, but in any nuclear family empirical evidence suggests that for the vast majority of us the foundation period of our youth is a halcyon period of joy, learning and feelings of value. This translates well into adult life where most people realise their feelings of value in their own families, their jobs, projects that undertake, hobbies that they enjoy, or simply in making someone else smile. That's pretty Zen, but of little value beyond the mystical, or as pop psychology. The architecture of the human psyche doesn't really lend itself to such a simplistic treatment as you have given it here. The human personality is not an artificial construct, even though you have added a caveat to state that it is also natural. We can ignore that contradiction in this context as I get what you are saying. The human personality, the interactive face of the human psyche, isn't artificial in any sense no matter what conditions you add after the fact. Personality is the accretion of each and every thought, feeling, communication and sensation that we have ever enjoyed wrapping themselves around our capacity to think, feel, talk and eat. All humans have a personality and the complex interplay of our emotional states, the ability to smile, dictate that we have had these facets of self since humans first began to walk... probably even before that as chimps do. Belief systems in this context are therefore irrelevant, as humans have had personality architecture far longer than they have held up any belief systems to guide them. A belief system is the artificial construct in this and a fairly recent invention too as far as human evolution goes. Belief systems fail in the face of fundamental human emotions, manifestations of personality, so to use something so fundamentally flawed and capable of being ignored by heightened states of being rather undermines the following assumptions. ? Law 1: Prove that I exist. Law 2: Creation must be seperate from the creator, for they existed before it. Once there was just the creator and then there was everything else. It was created, therefore it is artificial, the creator must be natural for they have always been. The unnatural cannot be part of the natural, unless you have some caveat to cover this natural/artificial amalgam. Law 3: What? Law 4: Why is change constant? You sound like a management consultant when you do that. ;) [/quote] No, if you accept your own argument about belief systems, then you may often as not choose to do something for the most spurious of reasons. How many times have I heard someone say, 'Why did I do that'? I am not R Daneel Olivaw, there are no Laws of Robotics that govern what I do, or do not. My thoughts are ephemeral, my beliefs transient and subject to new experiences, new data, last nights meal, sex with the wife this morning, and yet eternal as some of me will rub off on my children, I am of the moment, of my past and hoping for my future. Perception has nothing to do with it, I act in the now subject to all that was, on instinct, even if I have thought about my actions, wants and needs. Human personality is a Mayflay, human actions defy Laws. Oh yeah. It's not what you said, rather the way you said it. [I][B]Mod Edit: Just a note, the original topic for this thread can be found here:[/B][/I] [I][B][URL='http://paranormalis.com/threads/timetravel_-1.2729/'][COLOR=#37842d]http://paranormalis.com/threads/timetravel_-1.2729/[/COLOR][/URL][/B][/I] [I][B]This thread is for the debunking and dissection of that conversation.[/B][/I] [/QUOTE]
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