Menu
Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
New profile posts
Latest activity
Vault
Time Travel Schematics
T.E.C. Time Archive
The Why Files
Have You Seen...?
Chronovisor
TimeTravelForum.tk
TimeTravelForum.net
ParanormalNetwork.net
Paranormalis.com
ConspiracyCafe.net
Streams
Live streams
Featured streams
Multi-Viewer
Members
Current visitors
New profile posts
Search profile posts
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Navigation
Install the app
Install
More options
Contact us
Close Menu
Forums
Paranormal Forum
Spirituality & Mysticism
I am the Water Bearer
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="TimeWizardCosmo" data-source="post: 81735" data-attributes="member: 2"><p>For every statement in the bible explaining how one is allowed to live or not live, there's an equally contradictory passage elsewhere. The trend seems to be "interpreting" God's word now, which demonstrates the point I was making exactly. In order to interpret the meaning, you have to have a moral compass or sense of right and wrong that exists separately and outside of it.</p><p></p><p>Again, there's nothing wrong with spreading love and kindness. I think that's the most amazing thing a person can devote themselves to and I'm glad it happens. However, there is a line between being a good and loving person and commiting oneself to a life of piety for fear of "being punished" and then spreading that fear under the guise of love.</p><p></p><p>The rest of my response is pretty long winded, so here's a video that sums it up for those of you who don't have the time for all of this:</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]5agYQhQ8pGk[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>Most religions, at their core, are about you being a bad person. A sinner. The Christians I've met and the churches I've attended have all taught that people have something fundamentally wrong with them.</p><p></p><p>It’s <em>crucial</em> to the belief system.</p><p></p><p>In order to need a savior you have to have something to be <em>saved from</em>. According to most, that something is <em>ourselves</em>.</p><p></p><p>Now at this point you're likely saying "No, Cosmo, it's <em>sin</em> you need saving from; not yourself. It’s really something external to you"</p><p></p><p>Okay, but this isn’t exactly an honest representation of how most Christians are taught to think and talk about themselves. When the public spotlight turns away and they begin to talk to each other and to themselves, the self-hatred and critical language comes out. I know this from multiple first-hand experiences.</p><p></p><p>I've heard it in their prayers. I've heard it in their songs. It’s inseparable from the narrative they recite to themselves every day.</p><p></p><p>Rather than building us up and affirming those parts of ourselves which are generous, productive, resourceful, and good, this discipline of self-loathing tears us down, reduces us, and teaches us to see ourselves in the worst possible light. We're told that anytime we do something right, that is God working in us, and anytime we do something wrong, that’s just me being me.</p><p></p><p>Think about that for a minute. It’s no wonder most of the artistic expressions we see from religious people exhibit a profound sense of inadequacy, indebtedness and dependency.</p><p></p><p>We are taught that dependence on God is the truest relationship to which anyone could aspire. But why? Because we are supposed to see ourselves as incapable of producing anything truly good or valuable ourselves.</p><p></p><p>To finish this one up, I need to nitpick your comments a little:</p><p></p><p></p><p>So I suppose you can?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>God used to be okay with fathers forcing their daughters into marriage and taking slaves? But then he changed his mind? Sounds very male-centric egotistical fallible God to me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Jesus was not the incarnation of God. If anything, he was just a man with a philosophy on how to live life that's gradually been taken way out of context.</p><p></p><p><strong><em>“Why do you call me good?” Jesus <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+10%3A17-18&version=NIV" target="_blank">asked</a>. “No one is good except God.”</em></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TimeWizardCosmo, post: 81735, member: 2"] For every statement in the bible explaining how one is allowed to live or not live, there's an equally contradictory passage elsewhere. The trend seems to be "interpreting" God's word now, which demonstrates the point I was making exactly. In order to interpret the meaning, you have to have a moral compass or sense of right and wrong that exists separately and outside of it. Again, there's nothing wrong with spreading love and kindness. I think that's the most amazing thing a person can devote themselves to and I'm glad it happens. However, there is a line between being a good and loving person and commiting oneself to a life of piety for fear of "being punished" and then spreading that fear under the guise of love. The rest of my response is pretty long winded, so here's a video that sums it up for those of you who don't have the time for all of this: [MEDIA=youtube]5agYQhQ8pGk[/MEDIA] Most religions, at their core, are about you being a bad person. A sinner. The Christians I've met and the churches I've attended have all taught that people have something fundamentally wrong with them. It’s [I]crucial[/I] to the belief system. In order to need a savior you have to have something to be [I]saved from[/I]. According to most, that something is [I]ourselves[/I]. Now at this point you're likely saying "No, Cosmo, it's [I]sin[/I] you need saving from; not yourself. It’s really something external to you" Okay, but this isn’t exactly an honest representation of how most Christians are taught to think and talk about themselves. When the public spotlight turns away and they begin to talk to each other and to themselves, the self-hatred and critical language comes out. I know this from multiple first-hand experiences. I've heard it in their prayers. I've heard it in their songs. It’s inseparable from the narrative they recite to themselves every day. Rather than building us up and affirming those parts of ourselves which are generous, productive, resourceful, and good, this discipline of self-loathing tears us down, reduces us, and teaches us to see ourselves in the worst possible light. We're told that anytime we do something right, that is God working in us, and anytime we do something wrong, that’s just me being me. Think about that for a minute. It’s no wonder most of the artistic expressions we see from religious people exhibit a profound sense of inadequacy, indebtedness and dependency. We are taught that dependence on God is the truest relationship to which anyone could aspire. But why? Because we are supposed to see ourselves as incapable of producing anything truly good or valuable ourselves. To finish this one up, I need to nitpick your comments a little: So I suppose you can? God used to be okay with fathers forcing their daughters into marriage and taking slaves? But then he changed his mind? Sounds very male-centric egotistical fallible God to me. Jesus was not the incarnation of God. If anything, he was just a man with a philosophy on how to live life that's gradually been taken way out of context. [B][I]“Why do you call me good?” Jesus [URL='http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+10%3A17-18&version=NIV']asked[/URL]. “No one is good except God.”[/I][/B] [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Forums
Paranormal Forum
Spirituality & Mysticism
I am the Water Bearer
This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
Accept
Learn more…
Top