Debate Is a 1 World government really a bad thing?

[Justinian]

IT would be a good thing if run by rational normally well adjusted people.


If it would be run by the bilderbergers, rothschild rockafella pyscho elite then no... They just want to kill all the people beneath their economic class so no one will look down on them for marrying their cousins or their robots.

Those freaks just want to ruin the world.

But they already do all this. Mostly.

 

[Justinian]

I think we all agree that shit sucks no matter what country you live in. I've lived in quite a few around the World so I've seen some shit first hand. But I think that my overall point in the beginning was that most of your points about things that would happen, already DO happen. Maybe not specifically in the US, but for sure in other countries. So all the spying, tracking, manipulating, coercion, killing, slavery... that shit all happens right now.

So, really whats the difference if we let one government run the whole thing as compared to 200?

 

[wyldberi]

I think we all agree that shit sucks no matter what country you live in. I've lived in quite a few around the World so I've seen some shit first hand. But I think that my overall point in the beginning was that most of your points about things that would happen, already DO happen. Maybe not specifically in the US, but for sure in other countries. So all the spying, tracking, manipulating, coercion, killing, slavery... that shit all happens right now.

So, really whats the difference if we let one government run the whole thing as compared to 200?

The big difference is what would you do about the population problem. I'm not an advocate for genocide, but there are an excess of human beings living on this planet. If the present economic system continues, it will collapse, and not in some far distant time. If you turn the whole thing over to a one world government, how would you consolidate all of the existing economic systems into one system that works for everyone?

The European Economic Union is going through some rough times now. The major problems have more to do with the internal economic struggles of the various nations, not necessarily the problems the USA causes for the rest of the world.

The USA foreign policy sucks. Internally, the federal government refuses to regulate the private banking / capitalist sharks who are in a feeding frenzy. Go look back at the history surrounding the 1920's era Great Depression. It didn't start with the Black Friday crash of the stock market. There was a whole lot of abuse permitted leading up to that crash. But the actual crash occurred over an extended period of time.

The same pattern is taking place today. The so-called "slow recovery" is not a recovery; it is a temporary easing of the pain. There is more pain to come, and just what form that takes has yet to be determined.

The stock market crash of the past was, however, a crash. It was the crash of capitalism. It failed, as it inevitably must due to human nature. It took FDR and the intervention of the federal government to turn the nation's economy around. FDR instituted necessary policies that regulated the capitalist markets quite heavily. He didn't do that because he was smart, because he wasn't all that smart; he didn't do it because he wanted to, he was a capitalist banker himself -- that's where his family got their money from. FDR was heavily involved in the looting of post-WW-1 Germany with many other of the rich folk in the USA.

FDR instituted the regulatory apparatus needed to "save" capitalism; to keep it going. Those who disliked those policies called him a traitor to his class. He chose to portray himself as the concerned father figure whose only desire was to ease the suffering of the common folk by creating federal jobs programs that put Americans back to work, and by starting the Social Security system. Neither of these represent what was actually taking place at the time. He was simply re-starting the economic engine that permits the well-to-do and the well-connected to bask in the wealth created by the labor of the common folk. Without those modifications of the previous economic system being instituted, the rebellion of the common folk that had been brewing for quite some time would have erupted into something that looked like the French Revolution of the late 18th century.

In today's economic doldrums, there is no FDR, and there is no push for change. The sharks have bought off the government; they're paying Congress and POTUS and SCOTUS to specifically avoid reinstituting the types of federal regulations they worked so hard to do away with over the last 30 - 40 years. Another big difference was have today is the presence of the national security state that was instituted during President Truman's administration. In the 65 or so years since that time, systems have been put into place to monitor the common folk and put down any rebellion before it can get out of hand and spread. When the shit hits the fan this time, it's going to be one big mess.

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So anyway, getting away from my rant, how would such a one world government go about distributing resources in a just and fair manner?

The standard of living we used to enjoy here in the USA came at the expense of the wealth American capitalists basically stole from other parts of the world. That standard of living is being deliberately dismantled, but we still manage to enjoy our air conditioning, and TV's, and SUV's. Will you be willing to give those things up in exchange for a one world government?

 

[Justinian]

I always confuse socialism with communism so that being said.. I believe it is the most true form of communism that I have always believed would be the best form of any society. Call it Utopian if you will. There would be certain things people would have to give up, but not just give up, more like trade them in for the betterment of everyone. I mean do you really need 4,000 acres to yourself? Why not move everyone into one area? The Soviets were good about this, albeit in not so nice a way. Everyone was rounded up and taken to cities. Each city would be responsible for producing certain things. Then those things are provided to other cities that are making things that need those original items you made. Yeah it would suck because whatever town you were in would pretty much determine your job, but in the end, if everyone shares freely, we could all have everything we ever wanted. Who needs a paycheck if everything is freely shared, and there are no taxes? So all the land that everyone gave up would be communal land that you can ride your ATV's or drive your big truck. Go hunting. And if you want a hunting cabin in the mountains, the materials would be free and it would be like an Amish barn raising. Take that vacation in (name your dream destination) for free, because there's no more money. Everyone in the world is sharing so everything is free.

Yeah it's a pipe dream, but it's the best my mind can come up with.