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<blockquote data-quote="Ayasano" data-source="post: 88053" data-attributes="member: 4804"><p>If there is enough gas or plasma to cause a lensing effect in that photo, why can't we detect it? We can easily detect the plasma around the sun, and according to that theory, it must be enough to cause the effect. So why the missing gas/plasma in my example?</p><p></p><p>I read through your other thread and watched the video, but there's a problem with your reasoning. You're trying to debunk General Relativity, but you can't. The sheer weight of interelated evidence and real world applications based on it makes that impossible. Sure, you can extend it, maybe throw out one or two parts while reconciling it with QM, but you can't just throw away the whole thing entirely.</p><p></p><p>We know mass affects gravity because we see more massive planets have stronger gravitational fields. We know gravity/mass affects time because we see time speeding up the further away you get from a massive object, because we have to account for that difference in GPS calculations to get the nanosecond scale accuracy. If you don't account for it, the difference is on the order of microseconds. I linked the explanation on another thread, but I'll link it again here.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html" target="_blank">GPS and Relativity</a></p><p></p><p>Also, how would you explain the microlensing effect used to find exoplanets?</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.planetary.org/explore/space-topics/exoplanets/microlensing.html" target="_blank">Microlensing | The Planetary Society</a></p><p></p><p>Here, the lensing effect is observed with both the star <em>and</em> the planet, most of which don't have atmospheres, so there's nothing besides the planet to bend the light.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ayasano, post: 88053, member: 4804"] If there is enough gas or plasma to cause a lensing effect in that photo, why can't we detect it? We can easily detect the plasma around the sun, and according to that theory, it must be enough to cause the effect. So why the missing gas/plasma in my example? I read through your other thread and watched the video, but there's a problem with your reasoning. You're trying to debunk General Relativity, but you can't. The sheer weight of interelated evidence and real world applications based on it makes that impossible. Sure, you can extend it, maybe throw out one or two parts while reconciling it with QM, but you can't just throw away the whole thing entirely. We know mass affects gravity because we see more massive planets have stronger gravitational fields. We know gravity/mass affects time because we see time speeding up the further away you get from a massive object, because we have to account for that difference in GPS calculations to get the nanosecond scale accuracy. If you don't account for it, the difference is on the order of microseconds. I linked the explanation on another thread, but I'll link it again here. [URL='http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html']GPS and Relativity[/URL] Also, how would you explain the microlensing effect used to find exoplanets? [URL='http://www.planetary.org/explore/space-topics/exoplanets/microlensing.html']Microlensing | The Planetary Society[/URL] Here, the lensing effect is observed with both the star [I]and[/I] the planet, most of which don't have atmospheres, so there's nothing besides the planet to bend the light. [/QUOTE]
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