Surveillance Drone in the US!

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  1. kurisu Active Member

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    So I saw this on ATS and, I didn't plan to post it here until after I watched the video! I swear yesterday when I was out walking I saw something exactly like this. At first when I saw it I was a little weary of the fact that it was there since it looked like a military plane so why would be in texas? but, none the less believe me or not I did see one of these yesterday!

    kurisu, May 16, 2012
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  2. Samstwitch Moderator

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    Thanks for posting this. I never knew anthing about it before. This is disgusting! The USA is no longer the land of the free! The government has stolen our privacy and freedom. When the SHTF in America, there will be a Civil War between the people and the government.



    Privacy concerns as US government rolls out domestic drone rules

    May 14, 2012 - Unmanned drones could soon be buzzing in the skies above many U.S. cities, as the federal government green-lights the technology for local law enforcement amid widespread privacy concerns.

    The Federal Aviation Administration on Monday began to explain the rules of the sky for these newly licensed drones at potentially dozens of sites across the country. The agency, on its website, said that government "entities" will have to obtain a special certificate in order to fly the aircraft, adding that the FAA is "streamlining the process for public agencies to safely fly (drones) in the nation's airspace."

    In doing so, the government is taking a tool that has become synonymous with U.S. counterterror warfare in countries like Pakistan and Yemen -- and putting it in the hands of U.S. law enforcement.

    Unlike some of the drones used overseas, these will not be equipped with missiles. They are to be used purely for surveillance. But that alone has raised serious privacy concerns on Capitol Hill and beyond.

    "Our Founding Fathers had no idea that there would be remote-control drones with television monitors that can feed back live data instantaneously -- but if they had, they would have made darn sure ... that these things were subject to the Fourth Amendment (protecting individual privacy)," Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, told Fox News.

    Drones have already been employed domestically. In what was described as the first case where an unmanned drone was used to arrest an American citizen on U.S. soil, a North Dakota SWAT team reportedly borrowed a Department of Homeland Security drone to monitor Rodney Brossart -- who was involved in a 16-hour standoff at his North Dakota farm over six cattle that had wandered onto his property and which he claimed as his own. The SWAT team apparently used the drone to make sure it was safe to arrest him, though his lawyer has since claimed Brossart was subjected to guerrilla-like police tactics and had his constitutional rights violated.

    Advocates, though, say the drones are a force-multiplier for local cops.

    "They're not going to be used for constant surveillance -- typically they can stay in the air for about 30 minutes, so they're only going to be used for specific missions," said Gretchen West, executive vice president of the Association for Unmanned Vehicle Systems International.
    She said the drones would help law enforcement have "more eyes in the sky to help ... assist them when they're going into potentially volatile situations."

    Lawmakers like Barton say there are "legitimate uses" for drones on U.S. soil, but that strict privacy standards will be needed.
    "It would be okay for a drone to be used in order to make sure that all the cattle on a ranch are identified on an ongoing basis. It's okay ... to survey a forest to make sure there are no forest fires. But it would not be okay if that individual who purchased the drone then decided 'I think I'll go and check and see what's going on over in my neighbor's backyard'," Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., said. "That would be wrong and that has to be protected against."

    Jay Stanley, a senior policy analyst with the American Civil Liberties Union, agreed.

    "We don't want a situation where every time we walk out of our front door we have to look up and wonder whether some invisible eye in the sky is monitoring us, you know, constantly," he said. "There are good uses for drones that everybody agrees with, but what we don't' want to see are drones used for constant, persistent, suspicion-less surveillance where we are all being watched for no particular reason."

    SEE FOX NEWS VIDEO HERE
    Samstwitch, May 16, 2012
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  3. kurisu Active Member

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    Thanks for posting even more information on this. We the people of the nation which was once great have a national duty to defend our constitutional right whether are enemies are foreign or domestic. The next step might as well be some form of LT-IDC ( Location Tracking Identification Chip ). I remember watching a shows where you couldn't even enter a building without a ID Bracelet which tracked everything from what you buy to whats going into your body. I assumed that was a cartoon but, now I wonder how much longer until something like that will occur.
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  4. Samstwitch Moderator

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    Exactly! Bible Prophecy forewarns of a Mark (a computer chip) that all people will have to receive on their hand or forehead inorder to buy and sell. It's just around the corner.

    According to the Fox News Video, the Feds say as of 2020 there could be 30,000 Drones flying over America. Americans better wake up! Our liberties and freedoms have been stolen by corrupt politicians and agents in the White House! :cautious: We do need a Civil War.
    Samstwitch, May 16, 2012
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  5. kurisu Active Member

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    Sorry theres no way in hell I would ever let that happen. If something like that did I would gladly start a resistance or coup against the united states but, I know if ANYONE did that they would be labeled as a evil terrorist who wants to kill everyone.

    At the moment I have to thought the first being at this point is it really worth attempting to go through the legal system in order to fix the corruption from the inside or is that path of blood the only path that truly remains with hope. The second is my worry not that a civil war will come but, rather that it won't come and, that people will simply allow this to continue.

    What hope is there truly left for our once great nation?
    kurisu, May 16, 2012
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  6. Samstwitch Moderator

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    That is my worry as well. The only hope for our country is through God and Jesus Christ. That is why they forewarned us of what is coming.
    Samstwitch, May 16, 2012
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  7. kurisu Active Member

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    I always understand God is there watching and, loving however I can't understand the people who will say "God has a plan we don't need to do anything" In my opinion part of Gods plan is us being human making the right choose and, taking our rights into our own hands.
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  8. opmmur Senior Member

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    Gallery: The Complete UAV Field Guide to Drones (30 pictures and information)

    With hundreds of different species, from spy craft to airborne sheepherders, UAVs have in the past decade morphed into a full-blown kingdom of creatures deserving of its own taxonomy. Here is our complete guide.


    Launch the gallery here: Gallery: The Complete UAV Field Guide | Popular Science

    Today 44 countries fly UAVs, according to P.W. Singer, a fellow at the public-policy think tank the Brookings Institution and author of Wired for War. Last year, the U.S. Air Force trained more UAV pilots than fighter and bomber pilots combined. “Every so often in history, there’s a tech that comes along that rewrites the rules of the game,” Singer says. “I describe this as a revolution.”
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  9. opmmur Senior Member

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    Gallery: The Complete UAV Field Guide to Drones (30 pictures and information)

    With hundreds of different species, from spy craft to airborne sheepherders, UAVs have in the past decade morphed into a full-blown kingdom of creatures deserving of its own taxonomy. Here is our complete guide.


    Launch the gallery here: Gallery: The Complete UAV Field Guide | Popular Science

    Today 44 countries fly UAVs, according to P.W. Singer, a fellow at the public-policy think tank the Brookings Institution and author of Wired for War. Last year, the U.S. Air Force trained more UAV pilots than fighter and bomber pilots combined. “Every so often in history, there’s a tech that comes along that rewrites the rules of the game,” Singer says. “I describe this as a revolution.”
    opmmur, May 16, 2012
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  10. Samstwitch Moderator

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    Kurisu, Yes, I totally agree! God also helps those who help themselves. That's not Scripture, but it's a true saying.

    Professor Opmmur, thanks for posting more information on this subject. I have to sign-off now to run errands, but I will check it out later when I return.
    Samstwitch, May 16, 2012
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  11. kurisu Active Member

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    I'm definitely with you on that just because God forgives you doesn't mean you shouldn't make amends for something you did. Especially those nuts who think it's okay to sin or break the law simply because it isn't in the bible or God forgives them. Those are the ones that piss me off the most lol
    kurisu, May 16, 2012
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  12. opmmur Senior Member

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    UFO Nearly Causes Mid-Air Collision Over Denver (Video)


    May 16, 2012 11:50 AM EDT

    Here is the Link: UFO Nearly Causes Mid-Air Collision Over Denver... | Gather


    A UFO, which did not show up on radar, nearly caused a mid-air collision over the skies of Denver with a corporate jet on Monday evening and officials have no idea what it was.

    Because the private pilot was the only witness, and due to the lack of any radar signature, the incident falls into the category of an encounter with an unidentified flying object.

    But, listening to the frightened pilot's radio transmission at the time of the event, which is included in the video news report below, makes it clear that something was in the air which should not have been there.


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    FAA officials, of course, are falling short of the UFO classification, instead speculating that the object was either a surveillance drone, a remote-controlled aircraft or a very large bird.

    Pointing out that the pilot saw the object for only a moment, which was enough to cause alarm, and citing the lack of any radar information, the incident is being investigated further.

    Recently, debate has begun as to whether or not the same kind of drones which are being used for surveillance and air attacks in war zones should be employed over the American homeland has many people worried.

    But if those drones do not show up on radar, the controversy enters an entirely different phase, pinning air safety as a major concern.

    Here's the video:

    What do you think?
    opmmur, May 16, 2012
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  13. opmmur Senior Member

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    List of unmanned aerial vehicles by counties

    The following is a list of Unmanned aerial vehicles developed and operated in various countries around the world. Listed with primary mission(s) and year of first flight.

    Link to this List: List of unmanned aerial vehicles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Argentina

    Armenia

    Australia

    Austria

    Belgium

    Brazil

    Bulgaria

    Canada

    Chile

    China (PRC)

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    A PLAAF Guizhou Soar Eagle HALE UAV undergoing tests
    Croatia

    Bojnik - unmanned areial vehicle
    Czech Republic

    Finland

    France

    Georgia

    Germany

    Greece

    • HAI Pegasus, reconnaissance (1982)
    • HAI Pegasus II, reconnaissance (2005)
    • EADS 3 Sigma Nearchos, reconnaissance (1996)
    • EADS 3 Sigma Iris
    • EADS 3 Sigma Alkyon
    • EADS 3 Sigma Perseas
    • BSK Defense Erevos, MALE reconnaissance UAV (under development)
    • BSK Defense Phaethon J, tactical reconnaissance UAV
    • BSK Defense Phaethon G, tactical reconnaissance UAV (under development)
    • BSK Defense Kyon, mini reconnaissance UAV
    • BSK Defense Ideon, mini reconnaissance UAV
    India

    Indonesia

    • PUNA (Pesawat Udara Nir-Awak, Made by BPP Teknologi)
    • STD (Small Target Drone, Made by PT Mandiri Mitra Muhibbah)
    • LTD (Large Target Drone, Made by PT Mandiri Mitra Muhibbah)
    International

    Iran

    Israel

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    IAI Pioneer UAV flying over Iraq
    Italy

    Japan

    Jordan

    Latvia

    • UAVFACTORY Penguin B, dual purprose (civil/military), fixed wing UAV system (2010)
    • UAVFACTORY Varna UAV, reconnaissance electric flying wing unmanned system (under development)
    Malaysia

    Mexico

    Netherlands

    New Zealand

    Pakistan

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    A SATUMA Jasoos in camouflage scheme.
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    A Falco UAV on display.
    Peru

    Philippines

    Poland

    Portugal

    • PITVANT [79]
    • PERSEUS [80]
    • QuadCopter UX-4001 Mini [81]
    • QuadCopter UX-401 [82]
    • OctoCopter UX-801 [83]
    Romania

    Serbia

    Singapore

    Slovenia

    • C-Astral Bramor[90]
    South Africa

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    Denel Dynamics Bateleur UAV
    South Korea

    • Korea Aerospace (KAI) Night Intruder NI-100N or DUV-4, medium-range tactical reconnaissance[91]
    • Korea Aerospace RQ-101, short-range tactical reconnaissance
    • Korean Air Aerospace KUS-9, medium-range tactical reconnaissance
    • KARI Remo Eye 006
    Soviet Union/Russia

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    UAV ZALA 421-08, a man-portable Russian UAV capable of 90min flight time with video/photo/IR camera
    Spain

    [IMG]
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    The SCRAB II ready to launch
    Switzerland

    Sweden

    Taiwan

    Tunisia

    Turkey

    Malazgirt VTOL Mini Unmanned System operated by Turkish Armed Forces
    Thailand

    United Arab Emirates

    United Kingdom

    [IMG]
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    RAF MQ-9 Reaper
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    [IMG]
    BAE Taranis
    [IMG]
    [IMG]
    InView UAV for use in scientific, commercial and state applications.
    United States

    Vietnam

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  14. TnWatchdog Senior Member

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    They have drones as small as hummingbirds! Please check your bird feeders and make sure there are real birds out there...you may be surprised. Just like anything else if they have it they will use it...then abuse it. I remember an old TV show, "The Prisoner" Whenever he tried to escape a large balloon or bubble went after him. This has now been replaced by drone technology. Drones, chips, and GPS...Oh my!
    TnWatchdog, May 26, 2012
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  15. BlastTyrant Senior Member

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    The ability to track people is as easy as looking up a phone number, there is actual software people can get that lets track others on there call phones, i suppose i don't know why they would need to send drones out to spy when they have the technology to look up anything and everything about people as they wish. Really makes you think exactly who or what is even reading what we type on these forums.
    BlastTyrant, May 26, 2012
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  16. Samstwitch Moderator

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    Talk of drones patrolling US skies spawns anxiety

    WASHINGTON (AP) June 19, 2012 — The prospect that thousands of drones could be patrolling U.S. skies by the end of this decade is raising the specter of a Big Brother government that peers into backyards and bedrooms.

    The worries began mostly on the political margins, but there are signs that ordinary people are starting to fret that unmanned aircraft could soon be circling overhead.

    Jeff Landry, a freshman Republican congressman from Louisiana's coastal bayou country, said constituents have stopped him while shopping at Walmart to talk about it.

    "There is a distrust amongst the people who have come and discussed this issue with me about our government," Landry said. "It's raising an alarm with the American public."

    Another GOP freshman, Rep. Austin Scott, said he first learned of the issue when someone shouted out a question about drones at a Republican Party meeting in his Georgia congressional district two months ago.

    An American Civil Liberties Union lobbyist, Chris Calabrese, said that when he speaks to audiences about privacy issues generally, drones are what "everybody just perks up over."

    "People are interested in the technology, they are interested in the implications and they worry about being under surveillance from the skies," he said.

    The level of apprehension is especially high in the conservative blogosphere, where headlines blare "30,000 Armed Drones to be Used Against Americans" and "Government Drones Set to Spy on Farms in the United States."

    When Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell, a Republican, suggested during an interview on Washington radio station WTOP last month that drones be used by police domestically since they've done such a good job on foreign battlefields, the political backlash was swift. NetRightDaily complained: "This seems like something a fascist would do. ... McDonnell isn't pro-Big Government, he is pro-HUGE Government."

    John Whitehead, president of the Rutherford Institute of Charlottesville, Va., which provides legal assistance in support of civil liberties and conservative causes, warned the governor, "America is not a battlefield, and the citizens of this nation are not insurgents in need of vanquishing."

    There's concern as well among liberal civil liberties advocates that government and private-sector drones will be used to gather information on Americans without their knowledge. A lawsuit by the Electronic Frontier Foundation of San Francisco, whose motto is "defending your rights in the digital world," forced the Federal Aviation Administration earlier this year to disclose the names of dozens of public universities, police departments and other government agencies that have been awarded permission to fly drones in civilian airspace on an experimental basis.

    Giving drones greater access to U.S. skies moves the nation closer to "a surveillance society in which our every move is monitored, tracked, recorded and scrutinized by the authorities," the ACLU warned last December in a report.

    The anxiety has spilled over into Congress, where a bipartisan group of lawmakers have been meeting to discuss legislation that would broadly address the civil-liberty issues raised by drones. A Landry provision in a defense spending bill would prohibit information gathered by military drones without a warrant from being used as evidence in court. A provision that Rep. Rush Holt, D-N.J., added to another bill would prohibit the Homeland Security Department from arming its drones, including ones used to patrol the border.

    Scott and Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., have introduced identical bills to prohibit any government agency from using a drone to "gather evidence or other information pertaining to criminal conduct or conduct in violation of a regulation" without a warrant.

    "I just don't like the concept of drones flying over barbecues in New York to see whether you have a Big Gulp in your backyard or whether you are separating out your recyclables according to the city mandates," Paul said in an interview, referring to a New York City ban on supersized soft drinks.

    He acknowledged that is an "extreme example," but added: "They might just say we'd be safer from muggings if we had constant surveillance crisscrossing the street all the time. But then the question becomes, what about jaywalking? What about eating too many donuts? What about putting mayonnaise on your hamburger? Where does it stop?"

    Calabrese, the ACLU lobbyist, called Paul's office as soon as he heard about the bill.

    "I told them we think they are starting from the right place," Calabrese said. "You should need some kind of basis before you use a drone to spy on someone."

    In a Congress noted for its political polarization, legislation to check drone use has the potential to forge "a left-right consensus," he said. "It bothers us for a lot of the same reasons it bothers conservatives."

    The backlash has drone makers concerned. The drone market is expected to nearly double over the next 10 years, from current worldwide expenditures of nearly $6 billion annually to more than $11 billion, with police departments accounting for a significant part of that growth.

    "We go into this with every expectation that the laws governing public safety and personal privacy will not be administered any differently for (drones) than they are for any other law enforcement tool," said Dan Elwell, vice president of the Aerospace Industries Association.
    Discussion of the issue has been colored by exaggerated drone tales spread largely by conservative media and bloggers.

    Scott said he was prompted to introduce his bill in part by news reports that the Environmental Protection Agency has been using drones to spy on cattle ranchers in Nebraska. The agency has indeed been searching for illegal dumping of waste into streams but is doing it the old-fashioned way, with piloted planes.

    In another case, a forecast of 30,000 drones in U.S. skies by 2020 has been widely attributed to the FAA. But FAA spokeswoman Brie Sachse said the agency has no idea where the figure came from. It may be a mangled version of an aerospace industry forecast that there could be nearly 30,000 drones worldwide by 2018, with the United States accounting for half of them.

    Fear that some drones may be armed has been fueled in part by a county sheriff's office in Texas that used a homeland security grant to buy a $300,000, 50-pound ShadowHawk helicopter drone for its SWAT team. The drone can be equipped with a 40mm grenade launcher and a 12-gauge shotgun. Randy McDaniel, chief deputy with the Montgomery County Sheriff's Office, told The Associated Press earlier this year his office had no plans to arm the drone, but he left open the possibility the agency may decide to adapt the drone to fire tear gas canisters and rubber bullets.

    Earlier this year Congress, under pressure from the Defense Department and the drone manufacturers, ordered the FAA to give drones greater access to civilian airspace by 2015. Besides the military, the mandate applies to drones operated by the private sector and civilian government agencies, including federal, state and local law enforcement.

    Reps. Ed Markey, D-Mass, and Joe Barton, R-Texas, co-chairs of a congressional privacy caucus, asked the FAA in April how it plans to protect privacy as it develops regulations for integrating drones into airspace now exclusively used by aircraft with human pilots. There's been no response so far, but Acting FAA Administrator Michael Huerta will probably be asked about it when he testifies at a Senate hearing Thursday.

    Even if the FAA were to establish privacy rules, it's primarily a safety agency and wouldn't have the expertise or regulatory structure to enforce them, civil liberties advocates said. But no other government agency is addressing the issue, either, they said.

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  17. kcwildman Senior Member

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    well, well now it would seem it's about time to start working on that EMP gun huh!!!!!! looks like we better be gettin ready for the cyborgs and H.K. units to start patrols:(
    kcwildman, Jun 19, 2012
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  18. BlastTyrant Senior Member

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    If you can get a emp gun get me one too! all types of shinanigans i could have with one of them
    BlastTyrant, Jun 20, 2012
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  19. Samstwitch Moderator

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    What is an EMP gun?
    Samstwitch, Jun 20, 2012
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  20. BlastTyrant Senior Member

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    It is in theory a rifle or bazooka type weapon that is able to shoot bursts of Electromagnetic Energy in order to fry electronic systems in cars and such. whether or not one actually excists is beyond me let alone if the average joe could attain one.
    BlastTyrant, Jun 20, 2012
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