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Was Jesus born with Original Sin?
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<blockquote data-quote="alpha centauri" data-source="post: 189222" data-attributes="member: 8464"><p>So let us look into your pamphlet.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The Dutch scientist Marjo C.A. Korpel and Johannes de Moor discovered a ugaritic text that is 800 years older than the texts of the </p><p>first book of Moses. The story is similar. So it was most probably not originally Jewish.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If Adam and Eve were the only humans that existed, it affected the humanity as a whole. So it does not matter. </p><p></p><p> The Garden of Eden story changes the relationship to God because they were never offered to return to the Garden. It depends how you look at it. But Jews and Christians agree on that point. Now the human race is responsible for themselves and dont get food for free or for doing nothing like in the Garden of Eden. But other than that I dont see a change in relationship for Christians.</p><p></p><p></p><p>What??? Immortal??? I have never heard that. Maybe some Christians say it.</p><p></p><p>But ok. If humans are the image of God (an immortal being), then they should still be immortal.</p><p></p><p>The ugaritic text, that i meantioned above, tells this story: The immortal Adam becomes mortal because he was bitten by a snake.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If "the rise of man" is the intention, they have a strange way of showing it. All of the stories tell how people did something wrong. </p><p></p><p>They have no total free will. If they dont obey, they are punished. So in that case, I would also follow every law, because I dont want to</p><p>be punished. But I would not if that would not be the case. So my free will is infringed through these laws.</p><p></p><p>Furthermore, they are bound in the flesh so they cannot do everything they want. For example humans cannot teleport or have telekinese abilities.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Jews and Christians tell that there are consequences, if you dont obey God and rewards if you obey him. Otherwise the story of Abraham and the sacrifice of his son makes no sense or the other stories in which people are rewarded or punished for following the laws or not following the laws. </p><p></p><p>You have no free will to decide, what is good or evil. God decides especially for fundamentalists. They usually follow more laws.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The scribe make something up to picture Judaism as something better and says Christianity is the problem. It is not really thoughtful, because it was Jesus who emphasized, you should not strictly following the rules and think for yourself. Of course, that concept is also taught on other parts of the Torah. But what Jesus did is the exactly opposite of that, what the scribe claims. And Jesus is the difference. Christianity gives the people more moral responsibility, because it is emphasized that it is more important to think with your heart, than strictly following the laws. That is shown in the New Testament.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="alpha centauri, post: 189222, member: 8464"] So let us look into your pamphlet. The Dutch scientist Marjo C.A. Korpel and Johannes de Moor discovered a ugaritic text that is 800 years older than the texts of the first book of Moses. The story is similar. So it was most probably not originally Jewish. If Adam and Eve were the only humans that existed, it affected the humanity as a whole. So it does not matter. The Garden of Eden story changes the relationship to God because they were never offered to return to the Garden. It depends how you look at it. But Jews and Christians agree on that point. Now the human race is responsible for themselves and dont get food for free or for doing nothing like in the Garden of Eden. But other than that I dont see a change in relationship for Christians. What??? Immortal??? I have never heard that. Maybe some Christians say it. But ok. If humans are the image of God (an immortal being), then they should still be immortal. The ugaritic text, that i meantioned above, tells this story: The immortal Adam becomes mortal because he was bitten by a snake. If "the rise of man" is the intention, they have a strange way of showing it. All of the stories tell how people did something wrong. They have no total free will. If they dont obey, they are punished. So in that case, I would also follow every law, because I dont want to be punished. But I would not if that would not be the case. So my free will is infringed through these laws. Furthermore, they are bound in the flesh so they cannot do everything they want. For example humans cannot teleport or have telekinese abilities. Jews and Christians tell that there are consequences, if you dont obey God and rewards if you obey him. Otherwise the story of Abraham and the sacrifice of his son makes no sense or the other stories in which people are rewarded or punished for following the laws or not following the laws. You have no free will to decide, what is good or evil. God decides especially for fundamentalists. They usually follow more laws. The scribe make something up to picture Judaism as something better and says Christianity is the problem. It is not really thoughtful, because it was Jesus who emphasized, you should not strictly following the rules and think for yourself. Of course, that concept is also taught on other parts of the Torah. But what Jesus did is the exactly opposite of that, what the scribe claims. And Jesus is the difference. Christianity gives the people more moral responsibility, because it is emphasized that it is more important to think with your heart, than strictly following the laws. That is shown in the New Testament. [/QUOTE]
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