Bedtime for Democracy

[Zoomerz]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Crosstika\")</div>

Looks like something fox news concocted. ? I'm no neurologist, but I don't know how Terri could've interacted with the nurse being brain dead.[/b]

Michael Savage was touting this testimony on yesterday's show as well, and calling for Michael Schaivo to be indicted primarily on the strength of this. I have *little* respect for most of what Savage says, as he tends to be overly emotional, and underly informed . However, he, along with the rest of neoconville are generating a lot of misinformation about Terri's condition, and I think it's important to find out if this information is accurate or not.

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[StarLord]

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That's all fine and well BUT that nurse is not married to terri is she?

 

[Crosstika]

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Here's something I found



http://mediamatters.org/items/200503230001

CNN, Fox featured ex-Schiavo nurse whose affidavit was dismissed as "incredible" by judge.

SNIP..."On March 22, both CNN's Live From... and Fox News' Fox and Friends aired interviews with Carla Sauer Iyer -- a former nurse for Terri Schiavo who in 2003 submitted an affidavit with inflammatory accusations against Terri's husband, Michael Schiavo -- but failed to report questions about Iyer's credibility. Judge George W. Greer, the Florida circuit judge who has presided over several aspects of the Schiavo case, dismissed Iyer's allegations as "incredible" and noted in a September 17, 2003, order that not even Terri Schiavo's parents sought her testimony in the case.

In both appearances, Iyer was presented as a former nurse for Terri Schiavo. Fox introduced her as a "registered nurse in Florida" who "cared for Terri for more than a year between '95 and 1996." In addition, on-screen text described Iyer as "Carla Sauer Iyer; Cared for Terri Schiavo." On CNN, Iyer was introduced as a "nurse who says that she cared for Terri Schiavo more than a year in the mid-1990s." As with Fox, CNN's on-screen text described Iyer as "Terri Schiavo's former nurse." Another on-screen text line presented on CNN stated that Iyer "testified about Terri Schiavo's physical state." However, according to Greer's September 2003 order, Schiavo's parents had not subpoenaed Iyer to testify.

In both a 2003 court affidavit (posted on the website operated by Terri's parents, Robert and Mary Schindler) and her March 22 cable appearances, Iyer maintained that Terri Schiavo was constantly "alert and oriented" while under her care, "saying such things as 'mommy,' and 'help me.' " She claimed that "Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Michael Schiavo was focused on Terri's death. Michael would say 'When is she going to die?' 'Has she died yet?' and 'When is that bitch gonna die?' " The affidavit also included her claims that Michael Schiavo expressed the desire to "accelerate" Terri's death, that when Terri was sick and looked as if she might die, "He would blurt out 'I'm going to be rich,' " and the assertion that "t is my belief that Michael injected Terri with Regular insulin" to intentionally make her sick. She claimed in her affidavit that "I ultimately called the police relative to this situation, and was terminated the next day."

Greer dismissed Iyer's charges, noting that they -- along with a similar affidavit given by Heidi Law, another nurse who formerly took care of Terri Schiavo -- were "incredible to say the least" and that "either in the testimony nor in the medical records is there support for these affidavits as they purport to detail activities and responses of Terri Schiavo."

Sounds to me like their trying to influence people emotionally by smearing the husband, which I think is pretty disgusting and slimy on the neo-cons part. I feel sorry for the poor woman, I wish they'd let her have peace.

 

[Zoomerz]

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Thanks Crosstika. Excellent "investigative" reporting, heh! So apparently then, the judge found no coroborating medical evidence to support the allegations. Still, it's troubling there is a second such testimony from another of her nurses Heidi Law. hmmmm.....I'll have to look into that one now too.

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[Zoomerz]

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Star;

That's all fine and well BUT that nurse is not married to terri is she?

No, but look for the existing laws defining spousal rights in these types of matters to change drastically after this is over. Personally, I have a great marriage and trust my wife totally to represent my desires. Unfortunately, I don't think all marriages could be described that way.

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[sosuemetoo]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Zoomerz\")</div>

If true, it would shed a completely different light on this situation. My gut tells me this is propoganda by pro-life factions, but for Terri's sake, it's important to leave no stone unturned....

Z-[/b]

Actually, this looks similar to the post I copied from AboveTopSecret in our other thread about Terri. The woman that posted is a longtime poster and is reputable. Either it's the same person, or the two worked with one another.

Unfortunately, her testimony gives us a look as to what Terri's capability within a few years of her heart attack, nothing about her current state. I believe her current state is directly related to the abuse and neglect she has suffered from the moment she entered hospice to today.

There is probably nothing we can do to keep Terri alive. The last reports were not good as she goes on day 5 of starvation. I said it before, but I hope after her death, the State of Florida investigates the husband with a fine tooth comb. Something similar to an IRS Audit

 

[Crosstika]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"sosuemetoo\")</div>

Unfortunately, her testimony gives us a look as to what Terri's capability within a few years of her heart attack, nothing about her current state. I believe her current state is directly related to the abuse and neglect she has suffered from the moment she entered hospice to today.
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I thought her heart attack in 90? is what initially triggered her brain damaged vegetive state and she's been in it ever since?

 

[Darkwolf]

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I thought her heart attack in 90? is what initially triggered her brain damaged vegetive state and she's been in it ever since?

Without propper treatment, these states get progressivly worse, eventually becoming irreprable.

 

[Crosstika]

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Oh, I heard she was "neurologically devastated" from the get go and basically has been in the same state ever since. I could be wrong.

 

[Zoomerz]

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SSM2;

Unfortunately, her testimony gives us a look as to what Terri's capability within a few years of her heart attack, nothing about her current state. I believe her current state is directly related to the abuse and neglect she has suffered from the moment she entered hospice to today.

Yes, if in fact, her testimony is credible. I only wonder if it is because of the judges response to it when he threw it out;

Greer dismissed Iyer's charges, noting that they -- along with a similar affidavit given by Heidi Law, another nurse who formerly took care of Terri Schiavo -- were \"incredible to say the least\" and that \"[n]either in the testimony nor in the medical records is there support for these affidavits as they purport to detail activities and responses of Terri Schiavo.\" From Greer's decision:

? ?The remaining affidavits deal exclusively with events which allegedly occurred in the 1995-1997 time frame. The court feels constrained to discuss them. They are incredible to say the least. Ms. Iyer details what amounts to a 15-month cover-up which would include the staff of Palm Garden of Lago Convalescent Center, the Guardian of the Person, the Guardian ad Litem, the medical professionals, the police and, believe it or not, Mr. and Mrs. Schindler. Her affidavit clearly states that she would \"call them (Mr. and Mrs. Schindler) anyway because I thought they should know about their daughter.\" The affidavit of Ms. Law speaks of Terri responding on a constant basis. Neither in the testimony nor in the medical records is there support for these affidavits as they purport to detail activities and responses of Terri Schiavo. It is impossible to believe that Mr. and Mrs. Schindler would not have subpoenaed Ms. Iyer for the January 2000 evidentiary hearing had she contacted them as her affidavit alleges.

I think his reasoning is sound.

Crosstika;

I thought her heart attack in 90? is what initially triggered her brain damaged vegetive state and she's been in it ever since?

I believe it was 1990, but a "potassium deficiency" is blamed for her condition according to court/medical records. What is really interesting is, Terri's parents are *reportedly* saying that Terri called them the very night before she collapsed telling them she was planning to leave her husband. This again is supposedly *new* information being propogated by the neocon spheres to gain support.

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