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A FEIGNED ABDUCTION
The true story
The truth on the case Betty and Barney Hill.
SESSION 16/JUN/04
Medium: Jorge olguin
Interlocutor: Horacio Velmont
Entity that came to talk: Ron Hubbard Founder of Dianetics and Scientology
Interlocutor: There is a matter that has intrigued me for a long time. I refer to the case of Betty and Barney Hill, a marriage formed by a black man and a white woman that presumably were abducted by extraterrestrials, A couple yeasr ago Tar and you told me that it was a simply terrestrial kidnapping. Although that answer intrigued me because I had followed the case closely and I even read John Fuller's book, published in 1966, and I forgot about it until recently a consultant asked me about it.
The kidnapping took place in the year 1961 and that apparently happened was extracted using hypnosis by a called psychiatrist Benjamin Simon. Do you confirm me that there is no confusion and that it was a terrestrial kidnapping?.
Ron Hubbard: Correct, it was a terrestrial kidnapping.
Interlocutor: Please, explain it to me a little to take me out of my perplexity. What is known is that these two people went in an automobile the night from the 19 to September 20 1961 returning from Canada, where they had some days of vacation. The matter is that when they arrived to their home in Portsmouth they missed two hours. I mean they arrived with a delay of two hours more than that accustomed. The true or apparent history arose through the hypnosis.
Ron Hubbard: Barney Hill, the black man, had a double job and because of one of them he was being investigated by certain authorities without being able to discover what he wanted until finally they cleaned break and they kidnapped him to get the information.
Interlocutor: Double job? What was the other job?
Ron Hubbard: He was investigating exactly about the extraterrestrial life, UFOs, all about this topic.
Interlocutor: I don’t understand. If the man was known as a total skeptic!
Ron Hubbard: Of course, the skepticism was his best disguise.
Interlocutor: Ah! And for that reason he denied everything?
Ron Hubbard: Sure.
Interlocutor: Now I understood. And who were those who investigated him? Were they from Area 51?
Ron Hubbard: No, there is another similar area in Alamo Gordo, New Mexico which was founded in 1945. In fact it was built in 1942.
Interlocutor: What did they do in this place?
Ron Hubbard: Nuclear experiments. The first atomic bomb that the United States threw was even detonated Alamo Gordo, obviously some kilometers from the Base.
Interlocutor: Were there extraterrestrials in that time already?
Ron Hubbard: No, not yet, and It was exclusively an area for nuclear experiments. And it had nothing more than three undergrounds levels. Now it has twenty-one.
Interlocutor: Are there extraterrestrials now?
Ron Hubbard: Yes, of course, since 1955.
Interlocutor: Then in United States there are two places where there are extraterrestrial establishments?
Ron Hubbard: Correct.
Interlocutor: Are they related to each other?
Ron Hubbard: Just the opposite, they are independent and they compete.
Interlocutor: It means that one knows about the other?
Ron Hubbard: Totally.
Interlocutor: Returning to the topic, the strange thing is that under hypnosis this couple tells a story which is included in the book of Fuller, in which they affirm to have been abducted by aliens.
Ron Hubbard: The couple was hypnotized after they were kidnapped, which means, before they were hypnotized by the psychiatrist Simon.
Interlocutor: To what organization did Barney Hill belong?
Ron Hubbard: In fact to none. It was about independent people who were discovering all they could about UFOs.
Interlocutor: Were they getting closer? I ask this because they had to kidnap them, which means they were after something big.
Ron Hubbard: Yes, that is the question, they were getting very close. They even had a hidden place in a deserted area where they used different instruments to detect space ships that were closer to the planet. They also had a radio to capture extraterrestrial communications. What the kidnappers wanted to know was if with those radio apparatuses they had been able to communicate with some race of aliens that could be belligerent to the planet.
Interlocutor: The wife, Betty, Did she know something?
Ron Hubbard: She was a basic person on one hand and naïve on the other. A cow could pass by her side and if her husband said that it was a disguised donkey she could believe him.
Interlocutor: I understand. How many people accompanied to Barney Hill in that group?
Ron Hubbard: Around ten people, among them there were some military
Interlocutor: Was Barney someone important in the group?
Ron Hubbard: No, just the opposite, they used him as a scapegoat.
Interlocutor: As a scapegoat?
Ron Hubbard: Yes, because everyone had shown up with false names, so if some problem would appear to the only one that they will capture would be Barney and that was what happened finally.
Interlocutor: And the group?
Ron Hubbard: When the kidnapping took place they "disappeared".
Interlocutor: Now I understand, although they tortured him and sodium Pentathol was injected to them, the truth serum, he would only say the false names.
Ron Hubbard: Of course. And as for the physiognomic data he could reveal, those people had enough changing them.
Interlocutor: It is clear. Among the people of the group that Barney integrated was there somebody important?
Ron Hubbard: Yes, there was a general of the Pentagon.
Interlocutor: That’s why they were interested in getting information from Barney!... Returning to the topic of the hypnosis, I suppose that with hypnosis one cannot pretend. I refer to the hypnosis made by the doctor Simon.
Ron Hubbard: No, one cannot pretend.
Interlocutor: And then the whole story they said under hypnosis? I mean they saw a space ship descending, from which they saw extraterrestrials who took them to the ship.
Ron Hubbard: Noit was not a UFO but an advanced helicopter, of intense black color, it launches missiles and there were extraterrestrials in it, but the operation was commanded exclusively by humans. And what they saw was produced by gases which are used in these cases to produce hallucinations. These hallucinations can also be induced.
Interlocutor: Were those hallucinations described under hypnosis to doctor Simon?
Ron Hubbard: Correct.
Interlocutor: The wife of Barney said that she saw an astronomical chart where supposedly was the star from where those extraterrestrials came and she even drew it.
Ron Hubbard: It was pure hallucination. There was nothing like that.
Interlocutor: But she said it under hypnosis.
Ron Hubbard: Sure, but she described the hallucination she was induced, not what really happened.
Interlocutor: I understand. Did they discover what they wanted with Barney?
Ron Hubbard: No, but They took all his instruments and they never had anything again. Practically they took everything.
Interlocutor: Did Barney continue faking then?
Ron Hubbard: Of course, he had no choice.
Interlocutor: After Barney’s death, Did Betty dedicate her time to UFOs?
Ron Hubbard: The experience she had impelled her to do that.
Interlocutor: Did Barney tell her the truth?
Ron Hubbard: No, he kept silence about it.
Interlocutor: After kidnapping them, Where were they taken?
Ron Hubbard: To the place I mentioned, Alamo Gordo.
Interlocutor: It means that in that moment, 1961 when everything happened, there was already extraterrestrials.
Ron Hubbard: Of course.
Interlocutor: So It’s not true the fact she related under hypnosis when she said that they gave her a supposedly extraterrestrial book so that she had a proof and then they took it again?
Ron Hubbard: No, not at all, all of that was induced by the pentathol.
Interlocutor: Calculating the time they were kidnapped, approximately two hours, how long were they doped?
Ron Hubbard: Approximately 80%.
Interlocutor: Which means they had a little time of full lucidity.
Ron Hubbard: Correct.
Interlocutor: And that percentage of lucidity is what both of them agreed before the hypnosis.
Ron Hubbard: Correct.
Interlocutor: Apparently the doctor Simon who hypnotized them didn't believe them completely nor Mr. Fuller who wrote the book.
Ron Hubbard: They didn't believe them because all they said was very unlikely. If one reads with attention the book one will see that there are many things that can only make sense if one takes them as hallucinations.
Interlocutor: Is there anything else to say on this matter?
Ron Hubbard: No, please! Do not waste more time on this.
Interlocutor: Master, to conclude, so that there is no doubt, Could you make a small summary about this matter?
Ron Hubbard: Well. The authorities of Alamo Gordo were awaiting knowing if Barney had been contacted by radio with belligerent extraterrestrials
Interlocutor: Obviously they were wrong.
Ron Hubbard: Correct. After spying on him for some months without discovering anything, they decide directly to kidnap him; they use the truth serum to get information from him. Then, to mix his ideas in his decoder they implanted in his brain all of those hallucinations which they relate after under hypnosis to Dr Simon
Interlocutor: Now everything is clear.
Hello guys, an experience I posted on Paranormalis was supposedly debunked by a certain website. I will tell neither the name of the experience nor the website. No advs. specially to our alledged detractors.
Whoever says what one wishes end up listening to what he would not.
Fortunately I keep on being lighthearted towards social acceptance welcoming criticism wherever they may come from.
One thing is mandatory to me. Something i value more than anything else= no foul language, no cursing. Besides, who knows who is behind the computer by his father's side while he browses on the internet. It may be a child, a pre teen, one must be careful and it's best avoiding bad language.
I am sure Barney and Betty Hill family won't mind my posting about their supposed Abduction Case.
One more thing. It was not me who created the post. It is a copy. I doubt the copy is protected for copy rights.
Perhaps it is like the story i posted and finally fell down into the hands of the debunkers.
I really do not mind, folks! Have a great day!
CM
The true story
The truth on the case Betty and Barney Hill.
SESSION 16/JUN/04
Medium: Jorge olguin
Interlocutor: Horacio Velmont
Entity that came to talk: Ron Hubbard Founder of Dianetics and Scientology
Interlocutor: There is a matter that has intrigued me for a long time. I refer to the case of Betty and Barney Hill, a marriage formed by a black man and a white woman that presumably were abducted by extraterrestrials, A couple yeasr ago Tar and you told me that it was a simply terrestrial kidnapping. Although that answer intrigued me because I had followed the case closely and I even read John Fuller's book, published in 1966, and I forgot about it until recently a consultant asked me about it.
The kidnapping took place in the year 1961 and that apparently happened was extracted using hypnosis by a called psychiatrist Benjamin Simon. Do you confirm me that there is no confusion and that it was a terrestrial kidnapping?.
Ron Hubbard: Correct, it was a terrestrial kidnapping.
Interlocutor: Please, explain it to me a little to take me out of my perplexity. What is known is that these two people went in an automobile the night from the 19 to September 20 1961 returning from Canada, where they had some days of vacation. The matter is that when they arrived to their home in Portsmouth they missed two hours. I mean they arrived with a delay of two hours more than that accustomed. The true or apparent history arose through the hypnosis.
Ron Hubbard: Barney Hill, the black man, had a double job and because of one of them he was being investigated by certain authorities without being able to discover what he wanted until finally they cleaned break and they kidnapped him to get the information.
Interlocutor: Double job? What was the other job?
Ron Hubbard: He was investigating exactly about the extraterrestrial life, UFOs, all about this topic.
Interlocutor: I don’t understand. If the man was known as a total skeptic!
Ron Hubbard: Of course, the skepticism was his best disguise.
Interlocutor: Ah! And for that reason he denied everything?
Ron Hubbard: Sure.
Interlocutor: Now I understood. And who were those who investigated him? Were they from Area 51?
Ron Hubbard: No, there is another similar area in Alamo Gordo, New Mexico which was founded in 1945. In fact it was built in 1942.
Interlocutor: What did they do in this place?
Ron Hubbard: Nuclear experiments. The first atomic bomb that the United States threw was even detonated Alamo Gordo, obviously some kilometers from the Base.
Interlocutor: Were there extraterrestrials in that time already?
Ron Hubbard: No, not yet, and It was exclusively an area for nuclear experiments. And it had nothing more than three undergrounds levels. Now it has twenty-one.
Interlocutor: Are there extraterrestrials now?
Ron Hubbard: Yes, of course, since 1955.
Interlocutor: Then in United States there are two places where there are extraterrestrial establishments?
Ron Hubbard: Correct.
Interlocutor: Are they related to each other?
Ron Hubbard: Just the opposite, they are independent and they compete.
Interlocutor: It means that one knows about the other?
Ron Hubbard: Totally.
Interlocutor: Returning to the topic, the strange thing is that under hypnosis this couple tells a story which is included in the book of Fuller, in which they affirm to have been abducted by aliens.
Ron Hubbard: The couple was hypnotized after they were kidnapped, which means, before they were hypnotized by the psychiatrist Simon.
Interlocutor: To what organization did Barney Hill belong?
Ron Hubbard: In fact to none. It was about independent people who were discovering all they could about UFOs.
Interlocutor: Were they getting closer? I ask this because they had to kidnap them, which means they were after something big.
Ron Hubbard: Yes, that is the question, they were getting very close. They even had a hidden place in a deserted area where they used different instruments to detect space ships that were closer to the planet. They also had a radio to capture extraterrestrial communications. What the kidnappers wanted to know was if with those radio apparatuses they had been able to communicate with some race of aliens that could be belligerent to the planet.
Interlocutor: The wife, Betty, Did she know something?
Ron Hubbard: She was a basic person on one hand and naïve on the other. A cow could pass by her side and if her husband said that it was a disguised donkey she could believe him.
Interlocutor: I understand. How many people accompanied to Barney Hill in that group?
Ron Hubbard: Around ten people, among them there were some military
Interlocutor: Was Barney someone important in the group?
Ron Hubbard: No, just the opposite, they used him as a scapegoat.
Interlocutor: As a scapegoat?
Ron Hubbard: Yes, because everyone had shown up with false names, so if some problem would appear to the only one that they will capture would be Barney and that was what happened finally.
Interlocutor: And the group?
Ron Hubbard: When the kidnapping took place they "disappeared".
Interlocutor: Now I understand, although they tortured him and sodium Pentathol was injected to them, the truth serum, he would only say the false names.
Ron Hubbard: Of course. And as for the physiognomic data he could reveal, those people had enough changing them.
Interlocutor: It is clear. Among the people of the group that Barney integrated was there somebody important?
Ron Hubbard: Yes, there was a general of the Pentagon.
Interlocutor: That’s why they were interested in getting information from Barney!... Returning to the topic of the hypnosis, I suppose that with hypnosis one cannot pretend. I refer to the hypnosis made by the doctor Simon.
Ron Hubbard: No, one cannot pretend.
Interlocutor: And then the whole story they said under hypnosis? I mean they saw a space ship descending, from which they saw extraterrestrials who took them to the ship.
Ron Hubbard: Noit was not a UFO but an advanced helicopter, of intense black color, it launches missiles and there were extraterrestrials in it, but the operation was commanded exclusively by humans. And what they saw was produced by gases which are used in these cases to produce hallucinations. These hallucinations can also be induced.
Interlocutor: Were those hallucinations described under hypnosis to doctor Simon?
Ron Hubbard: Correct.
Interlocutor: The wife of Barney said that she saw an astronomical chart where supposedly was the star from where those extraterrestrials came and she even drew it.
Ron Hubbard: It was pure hallucination. There was nothing like that.
Interlocutor: But she said it under hypnosis.
Ron Hubbard: Sure, but she described the hallucination she was induced, not what really happened.
Interlocutor: I understand. Did they discover what they wanted with Barney?
Ron Hubbard: No, but They took all his instruments and they never had anything again. Practically they took everything.
Interlocutor: Did Barney continue faking then?
Ron Hubbard: Of course, he had no choice.
Interlocutor: After Barney’s death, Did Betty dedicate her time to UFOs?
Ron Hubbard: The experience she had impelled her to do that.
Interlocutor: Did Barney tell her the truth?
Ron Hubbard: No, he kept silence about it.
Interlocutor: After kidnapping them, Where were they taken?
Ron Hubbard: To the place I mentioned, Alamo Gordo.
Interlocutor: It means that in that moment, 1961 when everything happened, there was already extraterrestrials.
Ron Hubbard: Of course.
Interlocutor: So It’s not true the fact she related under hypnosis when she said that they gave her a supposedly extraterrestrial book so that she had a proof and then they took it again?
Ron Hubbard: No, not at all, all of that was induced by the pentathol.
Interlocutor: Calculating the time they were kidnapped, approximately two hours, how long were they doped?
Ron Hubbard: Approximately 80%.
Interlocutor: Which means they had a little time of full lucidity.
Ron Hubbard: Correct.
Interlocutor: And that percentage of lucidity is what both of them agreed before the hypnosis.
Ron Hubbard: Correct.
Interlocutor: Apparently the doctor Simon who hypnotized them didn't believe them completely nor Mr. Fuller who wrote the book.
Ron Hubbard: They didn't believe them because all they said was very unlikely. If one reads with attention the book one will see that there are many things that can only make sense if one takes them as hallucinations.
Interlocutor: Is there anything else to say on this matter?
Ron Hubbard: No, please! Do not waste more time on this.
Interlocutor: Master, to conclude, so that there is no doubt, Could you make a small summary about this matter?
Ron Hubbard: Well. The authorities of Alamo Gordo were awaiting knowing if Barney had been contacted by radio with belligerent extraterrestrials
Interlocutor: Obviously they were wrong.
Ron Hubbard: Correct. After spying on him for some months without discovering anything, they decide directly to kidnap him; they use the truth serum to get information from him. Then, to mix his ideas in his decoder they implanted in his brain all of those hallucinations which they relate after under hypnosis to Dr Simon
Interlocutor: Now everything is clear.
Hello guys, an experience I posted on Paranormalis was supposedly debunked by a certain website. I will tell neither the name of the experience nor the website. No advs. specially to our alledged detractors.
Whoever says what one wishes end up listening to what he would not.
Fortunately I keep on being lighthearted towards social acceptance welcoming criticism wherever they may come from.
One thing is mandatory to me. Something i value more than anything else= no foul language, no cursing. Besides, who knows who is behind the computer by his father's side while he browses on the internet. It may be a child, a pre teen, one must be careful and it's best avoiding bad language.
I am sure Barney and Betty Hill family won't mind my posting about their supposed Abduction Case.
One more thing. It was not me who created the post. It is a copy. I doubt the copy is protected for copy rights.
Perhaps it is like the story i posted and finally fell down into the hands of the debunkers.
I really do not mind, folks! Have a great day!
CM
