Health Care - this "loss" is really a WIN!!!!

[PaulaJedi]

You have free healthcare. Your living standards compared to American standards are those of a society living in poverty. You have no guns to defend yourself. And apparently you believe that your government tells you it is a democracy. It looks to me like you are a domesticated and loyal servant to your state. Over here in America seeing is believing.

This is changing. We American middle class are literally going toothless. We are living in smaller houses. We have old cars. (Many, not all of course). We aren't able to "upgrade" our lives. (Millenials: Living off your rich mommy and daddy's money doesn't count).

 

[Into the Mystic]

Socialism is when the workers own the means of production. Now, I know for a certain fact that the British workers definitely DO NOT own the means of production. Ergo, socialism does not exist in the United Kingdom. As for your points:

a) Free healthcare is not a bad thing. I broke my foot a few years ago, yet didn't have to pay a penny for the operation nor the recovery. In the US I'd have been a couple of thousand in debt.
b) There are a lot of Brits living in poverty but it is not down to 'socialism'. It is down to the CONSERVATIVE government cutting benefits, not raising the minimum wage high enough and not creating enough jobs. Nothing to do with 'socialism'.
c) And gun crime in the UK is amongst the lowest in the world. If the Westminster attacker had been armed with a gun the death toll, which is currently 5, would have been at least triple that. Since 1980, there have been THREE shooting massacres, and the most recent was in 2010.
d) True democracy, in which the people get a say in absolutely everything, does not exist and cannot exist anywhere in the world. Yet the UK is the home of modern representative democracy. I can vote. I can hate the government. I can be a member of rival parties. Of course, the UK is increasingly becoming a tax-haven oligarchy like the US, but I can still vote to kick the government out.
e) I am not a domesticated and loyal servant to my state. I absolutely despise the party that currently runs my country and will fight tooth and nail to help kick them out of Downing Street. For you to conflate my defending a person's basic right to healthcare with my being a 'servant' to the British state is simultaneously terrifying and downright hilarious in its idiocy.

 

[PaulaJedi]

Free education provides people with an opportunity to be able to buy their own healthcare.
BTW, neither is "free."

Harte

Economics 101: Nothing is free because resources are scarce.
(i.e. if something is being given free, something else is suffering greatly)

 

[Into the Mystic]

But no other civilised country has its people go bankrupt when they're ill. In Britain healthcare is freely available to all, regardless of ability to pay. I can't see what's wrong with this.

I do agree that this would work if the government picked up the tab. But apparently in real practice the government winds up going broke instead.

It seems to be able to pick up the tab for millions of illegal aliens, though.

Did you know that the whole reason the US exists is because of 'illegal aliens'?

 

[PaulaJedi]

I do agree that this would work if the government picked up the tab. But apparently in real practice the government winds up going broke instead.

It seems to be able to pick up the tab for millions of illegal aliens, though.

Did you know that the whole reason the US exists is because of 'illegal aliens'?

Ok, because of the Indians, I don't deserve to have surgery I need but millions of overweight mexicans deserve absolutely free healthcare even though they can go to the beautiful Mexico City and get a job and pay for themselves? Were you aware that my relatives came here legally AFTER the Indian thing even happened, so my relatives had absolutely NOTHING to do with it? And my relatives also had NOTHING to do with slavery? Are you saying I deserve to be forced to pay $4000 to replace a tooth because I am a legally, born, tax paying citizen, but someone who BREAKS THE LAW by crossing our border deserves free bonus rewards and kudos because of a situation caused by BRITISH IMMIGRANTS? Really? Wow. Maybe I should just move to England for a year and reap your FREE benefits. You are apparently all for it.

 

[Einstein]

I do agree that this would work if the government picked up the tab. But apparently in real practice the government winds up going broke instead.

It seems to be able to pick up the tab for millions of illegal aliens, though.

Did you know that the whole reason the US exists is because of 'illegal aliens'?

We are given false narratives for history over here just like you over there. No one really knows the real history.

 

[PaulaJedi]

On a similiar note: Are you still blaming Germany for Hitler? Should we judge England by the corrupt Kings like King Henry VIII who chopped off peoples' heads?

 

[Into the Mystic]

It seems to be able to pick up the tab for millions of illegal aliens, though.

Did you know that the whole reason the US exists is because of 'illegal aliens'?

Ok, because of the Indians, I don't deserve to have surgery I need but millions of overweight mexicans deserve absolutely free healthcare even though they can go to the beautiful Mexico City and get a job and pay for themselves? Were you aware that my relatives came here legally AFTER the Indian thing even happened, so my relatives had absolutely NOTHING to do with it? And my relatives also had NOTHING to do with slavery? Are you saying I deserve to be forced to pay $4000 to replace a tooth because I am a legally, born, tax paying citizen, but someone who BREAKS THE LAW by crossing our border deserves free bonus rewards and kudos because of a situation caused by BRITISH IMMIGRANTS? Really? Wow. Maybe I should just move to England for a year and reap your FREE benefits. You are apparently all for it.

Doesn't the bit in bold just sum up everything that is wrong with the American healthcare system?

To be honest I don't really understand the rest of your post. You're just ranting.

P.S. You can come over here if you want. Nothing stopping you.

 

[Into the Mystic]

On a similiar note: Are you still blaming Germany for Hitler? Should we judge England by the corrupt Kings like King Henry VIII who chopped off peoples' heads?

What on earth are you rambling on about? All I was pointing out was that America is a nation of immigrants, which it is. How does that equate to my saying all Germans are Nazi or all Englishmen want to chop people's heads off??

 

[Into the Mystic]

It seems to be able to pick up the tab for millions of illegal aliens, though.

Did you know that the whole reason the US exists is because of 'illegal aliens'?

We are given false narratives for history over here just like you over there. No one really knows the real history.

Have you got a reply for my other post? I'd quite like to see it